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What does that have to do with freedom? You mean the freedom of a business owner to set their AC to whatever they like? Why is that symbolic of "freedom" in any way? As a business owner we have agreed as a society that there is a lot of rules you have to obey already - you cannot throw your rubbish out on the street, you must post your prices clearly, you must provide disabled access, you must give refunds for faulty items, etc etc etc. How is it freedom to be able to set your AC to 25C, but not building disabled access for your customers isn't?

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This post resonates with me, well put

The fact that we don’t have as much freedom as we should means we have carte blanche to keep taking freedom away from us? What an argument. A self fulfilling prophecy!

Yes we should have the freedom to keep our lights on if we want as long as we pay our bills. And if we want we shouldn’t have to build a ramp to our business. How are these things even something to argue about?

>>And if we want we shouldn’t have to build a ramp to our business.

Are you serious? How is this even a thing to argue about???

>>Yes we should have the freedom to keep our lights on if we want as long as we pay our bills.

Even in an energy crisis? I imagine when you are faced with severe drought you also argue that you should be able to use as much water as you want as long as you pay your bills? What an argument. I'm not entirely sure where it comes from - blatant disregard for the needs of the society over the needs of an individual? Just money? Belief that as long as you pay for something then the greater impact on everyone else shouldn't be considered? I'm so baffled by replies like yours.

This energy crisis is a self inflicted wound- people here have consistently voted for candidates that have refused to build nuclear, have put CO2 caps in place, have made enemies of everybody who could sell us gas, etc. They deserve everything that is coming to them. I have absolutely no sympathy for the prices that they are having to pay.

I don't see how that's relevant here though. And I especially don't see how that's relevant to Spain - Spanish people don't vote for or elect politicians in Germany, which is the country most in trouble right now due to its idiotic energy policies

>>have made enemies of everybody who could sell us gas, etc.

I hope you don't mean Russia by this.

Spain can solve all those problems by ourselves. If the EU doesn’t let us, then Spain must leave the EU.

Yes I mean Russia. I don’t give a shit what they are doing. What’s the alternative, buying liquefied gas from the USA? Have you been paying attention to what they’ve done the past decades? Lol

Ok, I've had enough of arguing with Russian apologists on the internet over the last few months. I have zero interest in taking to you any further.

Hold on, so your definition of “freedom” is becoming dependant on a fascist state who actively threats your very own neighbours, just for the chance of keeping some arguably useless store lightning on?

> If the EU doesn’t let us, then Spain must leave the EU.

It is a joke, isn't?

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