Raw footage inside Sears with Atari 800 and 2600 (1982) [video]
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The sewing machine at $300 is $920 today and looks basic as heck. I bought a computerized sewing machine last year for $400 which sews 40 stitches and is basically automated. You could get a basic Singer today for 85 bucks.
Those microwaves would come in at about $1,200 in today’s dollars. Most of us spend about $50 on one today, granted the quality is probably crap.
How did people afford to buy anything back then? I recall my parents getting the Beta Max player, big 30” TV and satellite dish back in the early 1980s (we lived in the country). Throw in a stereo and a few kitchen appliances and I think it would rival what they paid for our house!
Also, if a sewing machine or microwave broke, you would get it repaired rather than replaced with a new one. It was expected that these big ticket items were long-term purchases. Because of that, people tended to care a bit more about the reputation of the brand and how easily you could get things serviced. Sears, for example, had service centers everywhere.
You can find product specs much easier these days but subjective product information is no easier to come by. Well, it's easier to come by, but you can't easily pick it out from the sea of BS.
She'd give in occasionally. After we had finally come to own a PS1 and N64, my brother and I had a paper route and would buy cheap used games instead of renting.
This is a big trade-off. The way things are now, I wouldn't mind swinging back that way a bit. Our houses are filled with electronics that are one failed component away from being trash.
On top of that, it's pretty hard to know if you're buying garbage or not, even from retailers that should be reputable. (I blame Amazon for setting that trend).
There were bills back then that people had, that you don't have today.
* Daily newspaper subscription
* Telephone line (plus long distance calls...expensive back then)
* Cigarettes - people used to smoke every day
Cable TV was not as popular but many people had it in the 80's. Premium channels as well. People still rented movies back then, bought VCR's, records, tapes, they bought more magazines and books.
With household incomes being almost $70k today, that's like spending $1400 on a video game system today.
Since ~ 1995 a decent PC (runs everything, not a mind blowing rig) were always around $2000 with monitor, with a sharp decline to $1000 around late '00 and a slight increase since then but there is nothing a $200 GPU with a decent CPU and enough amount of RAM can't what a rig $4000+ can't do, only slower.
This was used much more frequently than children of the era might remember.
If my memory serves me well, I did a $320 build somewhere in ~2010 for a friend. For the giggles I launched F.E.A.R. on it. It worked.
Because that was pretty much all you bought. Things were, indeed, simpler then. People didn't need McMansions to hold all their shit.
The family microwave when I was a kid was a Magnavox Carousel. It was BIG. It had a very simple dial to set the time and power. I despise todays kitchen appliances with membrane keypads and having to hit TIME 2 0 0 COOK
My parents only got rid of that thing recently.
And inflation? We bought stuff like a microwave, or TV, or game system maybe once, years apart.
Gadgets and appliances were a lot more costly back then but housing, tuition, health care, and food were all quite a bit cheaper.
We've had 30+ years of "disinflation" or "in-deflation" which is high inflation in everything you need and deflation in everything else.
The common denominator in the things that have inflated is that they're hard to outsource.
When I was younger, "imported food" was a novelty because the local in-season food was all you could normally get.
Now it's (hilariously) the opposite.
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Given the bits of family finances I heard I'm sure she bought it new, not used. She had a stove the size of a fridge tipped over too. It had its own wall in the kitchen. I have never seen its like in any other house, movie or TV show (I did at one point rent a house that had the oven from Bewitched in it as recently as 2010. That was a weird beast of an oven. Burned the fuck out of my hand when I accidentally set it to 'broil' and touched the glass to see if it was on. Luckily it was my left hand but still)
This was some years before consumer goods all being made in China and sold at bigger box stores and online at much lower cost. Sears was never seen as a bargain hunters store, and alas it didn’t last in the age of low margin consumer goods retailers.
Back in the day, your average family didn't pay $1,200 for a microwave, they went without. We didn't have a microwave, or a dishwasher, or most of the other kitchen appliances people now enjoy. Those things were for rich people. We cooked popcorn on the stove and washed the dishes in the sink afterwards.
If you look carefully at a Star Wars arcade machine, you can see the shadow mask in the vector lines. You cannot see this on, say, an Asteroids machine or a Vectrex; on those, the lines are smooth and sharper than a draftsman's straightedge.
Everyone should experience an original Asteroids, or failing that something like the Vectrex, at least once in their lives. It's indescribably different from emulation; the long-decay phosphor and direct CPU control over brightness means that shots and explosions glitter in the dark in a way not even MAME can replicate.
The Secret Life of XY Monitors : http://jedmargolin.com/xy/xymons.htm
The Secret Life of Vector Generators : http://jedmargolin.com/vgens/vgmenu.htm
The first covers how the tube worked, the second covers how the Atari systems generated the graphics to show on-screen.
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As a kid, I would have walked up, seen that, and my mind would be reeling with the possibilities. Computers that can talk to each other remotely! The hassle and the hurdles you'd have to overcome just to send a message to another Atari over dial-up.
It's 40 years later and we all have a portalable, always-on computer in our pockets, with instant access to all the world's information. Just mind blowing progress in 40 years.
Record a birdsong and get an ID
Did you have 386's?
Right?? When I was about 14 or so I got ahold of my very first modem - a 300bps acoustic coupler; that beast must have weighed 20 pounds. I don't know what I was expecting when we connected to a local BBS for the first time, but when I saw characters from a remote computer show up on my screen, it was like the world shifted. I had no way to grasp the implications of it all, but I could sense it was significant, and it impacted me so strongly that that memory is still crystal clear 30 years later.
It is really amazing how well the arcade vector screens have held up over the years, I have never seen one with phosphor burn or screen issues. Which is good because nobody has made those in decades, doubt retro arcade enthusiasts are enough of a market that anyone ever will again.
All the Neo-Geo cabinets I've found lately have had a heavy green tint. Its like they all went within a couple years of each other. I'm not sure why people don't swap out the screens while CRTs are still easy to obtain.
Take a look at these appliance prices!
$399 for a microwave ($1200 today)
$299 for a sewing machine ($920 today)
$699 for an Atari computer ($2100 today)
I wish I could see the washer/dryer prices in the video as well.
If you want something to be built "like the used to," you really do have to pay for it. There's a reason that your $400 Hotpoint washing machine doesn't perform like a $1600 Speed Queen.
People really do have rose tinted glasses.
Fantastic footage. Sewing machines were all the rage I guess. ;)
The Simplicity Pattern Company has been selling sewing pattern guides since 1927.
In the early 1970s it was one of the "Nifty Fifties":
> The Nifty Fifty were a group of premier growth stocks, such as Xerox, IBM, Polaroid, and Coca-Cola, that became institutional darlings in the early 1970s. All of these stocks had proven growth records, continual increases in dividends (virtually none had cut its dividend since World War II), and high market capitalization.
> The Nifty Fifty were often called one-decision stocks: buy and never sell. Because their prospects were so bright, many analysts claimed that the only direction they could go was up. Since they had made so many rich, few if any investors could fault a money manager for buying them. At the time, many investors did not seem to find 50, 80 or even 100 times earnings at all an unreasonable price to pay for the world’s preeminent growth companies.
http://csinvesting.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/valuing-gr...
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Then run away cackling as the numbers kept printing thinking that somehow it would run forever.(or something like that... it was 40 years ago)
As for the department store computer displays, I do remember K-Mart would have the Atari 2600's running in some kind of demo mode so it would reboot whatever game it was playing after about 5 minutes. I learned I could just barely win "Superman" before the reboot, if I started it right away.
1. In the background you can hear a series of two or three chimes/tones. This was a constant part of the department store experience. It was a communication system that I guess eliminated the need to tell customers what exactly was happening.
https://ask.metafilter.com/14044/Department-Store-Chimes
2. That vertical black box with the space wars clone was a Vectrex. A kid was playing it and it was on display at the checkout counter (amazingly, unoccupied). It would have been brand new at the time.
> The Vectrex is a vector display-based home video game console–the only one ever designed and released for the home market, developed by Smith Engineering. It was first released for the North America market in November 1982 and then Europe and Japan in 1983. Originally manufactured by General Consumer Electronics, it was later licensed to Milton Bradley after they acquired the company. Bandai released the system in Japan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vectrex
3. November 1982 marked the end of the then-worst recession since the Great Depression.
> Prior to the 2007-09 recession, the 1981-82 recession was the worst economic downturn in the United States since the Great Depression. Indeed, the nearly 11 percent unemployment rate reached late in 1982 remains the apex of the post-World War II era (Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis). Unemployment during the 1981-82 recession was widespread, but manufacturing, construction, and the auto industries were particularly affected. Although goods producers accounted for only 30 percent of total employment at the time, they suffered 90 percent of job losses in 1982. Three-fourths of all job losses in the goods-producing sector were in manufacturing, and the residential construction industry and auto manufacturers ended the year with 22 percent and 24 percent unemployment, respectively (Urquhart and Hewson 1983, 4-7).
https://www.federalreservehistory.org/essays/recession-of-19...
4. It's interesting to consider that the raw footage collected in the clip may be more valuable than the actual news story ever was. It's really hard to know what future generations will find compelling.
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The Proper People recently did a video in Landmark Mall just days before it was demolished, including a walk through the old Sears which was in very bad shape:
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A total of 4M units were sold, which is about equal to 2 years of sales of the C64 when it was at peak popularity.
- 2 Surface Pros
- 2 Dell Laptops
- 1 HP Laptop
- One mac Laptop
2. Apple is clearly positioned as a luxury brand; it's fine to object to calling BMW an also-ran to Toyota or Ford. The Atari 8-bit systems were at least priced mid-ranged, so I'm not sure that applies here. The expansion bus was positioned as easy-to-use, but that's about the only parallel I can think of.
3. There were other 8-bit computers; C64 doesn't make up the entirety of the market; The Apple II sold 5M; the TRS-80 sold 2.4M; Amstrad sold 3M.
4. When the units were sold matters too; there were 8-bit machines being sold along side 32-bit machines, with the 8-bit machine being a budget option. The TRS-80 was not being sold during this later period; it was the best selling computer of the 1970s. This doesn't seem to significantly affect comparisons between the Atari 8-bit line and Commodore or Apple though, as the IIgs and atari 8-bit line both ended in 1992 and the C64 sold relatively few units in 1993.
It seems silly to compare Atari and Commodore in this way. They were both playing in a very immature market that really had no idea what direction it was going in, so their strategies bear little resemblance to today's mature and saturated market.
Speaking as someone who lived through the whole thing, there were clear technological benefits to both machines. For example, the C64 had the SID just, bringing vastly superior sound. On the Atari 800 side (which is what I owned), the expansion bus was not just easier to use, but also allowed the floppy drives to outperform those of the Commodore competition.
And the design of the Atari BASIC language was superior. C64 did have some better hardware but as I recall you needed to do goofy things like POKE special values into odd memory addresses to use them. By contrast, I recall Atari's combination of COLOR and SETCOLOR commands, which at first seemed baffling but later the realization of how they worked together (and other similar sorts of things) did a lot to help me understand software systems.
The only game control appears to be the intellivision running Donkey Kong.
It’s noteworthy that this was just before the 1983 video game crash.
I understand this is very typical with online video. I wish it wasn't though.
I agree though, for a videotape that old, it must not have been played very much for the tracking to still be that solid. Also modern "record NTSC Video to your computer" USB dongles tend to be unable to deal with even slightly unsteady CSYNC signal, so they must've used good equipment. Too bad about the youtube.
Tape quality was good and a lot cheaper, but it doesn't last as long before the video signal gets munged
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That's sad. But looks like Good guy internet archive saved some of their videos(1) though so not everything was destroyed forever.
BTW a quick scrape (raw HTML, missing any JS-loaded stuff) of archived btm0815ma channel pages[1] finds some more videos that were saved "naturally" in the wayback machine:
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mHHacMAFZxc Viewpoint (ABC) - 1994-07-22
NXQvrVQw1Uw What About Tomorrow? on computers (1973)
RZB1zY6yKDc Democratic Convention (1968) - 8 - Day 3
gEGCPC3GfC4 CBS Evening News open - 1994-11-09
V7UcBk2A_58 CBS News - Video games (1995)
T0yWcB5f1Qs CBS News - TV Nielsen ratings (1984)
LnDZi85n-Ac CBS News - Claymation (1986)
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HF1k6HnJrTU CBS Evening News - 1980-08-05
B5-WkCUlXe4 The Video History of Our Times - 1940
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fuskHqS8QRk 60 Minutes (CBS) - "Underground Railroad" - 1988-10-16
ZExs5rFpIkg 60 Minutes (CBS) - "The Prince of Penny Stocks" (1988)
4GtTNe6N3ds 60 Minutes (CBS) - George Burns - 1988-11-06
MQOBNTMwqTE 60 Minutes (CBS) - Home Shopping Club - 1988-12-18
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Jf3kACc68bk NBC Nightly News - 2011-03-15
hHp0565IdKs NBC Nightly News - 2011-03-14
jMmZKafb6no American Parade (CBS) - The Contra War (1984)
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d21Z8oXybig CBS Reports: Robert F. Kennedy (1967)
slUnV2RabfI 60 Minutes (CBS) - "Secrets and Lies" (1997)
OS0QNJ0Xbaw Nintendo of America headquarters (1990)
UrTS_lmPQ1k CBS Evening News - 2011-03-12
ITtQigDn0FU CBS News - 2003-03-19 - 11:35 p.m. - 2 of 3
r0xsJFREmOU Carter's final hours in the White House (1981)
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GWgL5W0b6k0 Dan Rather signs off with "Courage" - September 1986
zsa72D8Kegc Public Broadcast Laboratory: The Whole World Is Watching (1968)
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That's quite an interesting documentary on HCI, including maths pedagogy with turtle robot graphics from the Logo Project at MIT. There's no trace of the series elsewhere on the web...
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