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- Give developers access to any hardware feature, such as "near-field communication technology, secure elements and processors, authentication mechanisms, and the software used to control those technologies."

Here comes the Meta App Store to bypass all iOS privacy protections :(

I really like the idea of an eject button to run arbitrary code and operating systems on my pocket computer, but 99% of the time I want it to "just work." If I valued the former over the latter I would have bought an Android phone.

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A better way to think of it, is:

Here comes F-Droid to further enhance iOS with privacy respecting applications

I really want f-droid to keep doing the good job and not buckle under some corporate bs pressure. It must remain independent.

Why would you download the Meta App store to begin with?

Because the next time there's a virus going around, they're going to put the vaccine passport app you need to go to the store or take a train in the Meta app store.

You're suggesting the government would distribute their vaccine passport app exclusively through Meta? Why would they do that?

Corruption.

It's still a nonsensical fear, but that would be the reason.

Very happy to bet against you on that ;) Android has multiple app stores, but the kind of app you're describing doesn't require installing an alternative one.

My gut feeling is that there's a nontrivial chance that the moment 3rd-party app stores are available on iOS, Meta will immediately move their apps to one to work around privacy limitations the App Store currently imposes on them.

I also strongly suspect that one of those apps would be WhatsApp, which is an app that a not-insignificant portion of the world uses to communicate. Unfortunately, I don't have a choice in what apps my family around the world uses, so I'm stuck with WhatsApp. The choice for me would either be to cut contact with dozens of family members, or enable the Meta App Store.

My hope is that if Apple is forced to allow 3rd-party app stores, they'll make it possible to even more strictly sandbox apps from those stores somehow.

What App Store privacy rules are you concerned about?

I'm not sure if this is exactly what you're asking about, but submitting an app to the App Store currently performs pretty stringent checks on things the app does — including automated scanning for usage of private system APIs and ensuring that apps include appropriate reasons for asking for access to private data (contacts, photos, location data, etc.).

Without certain forms of review, it's much easier for apps to exploit weaknesses (whether in the OS, frameworks, the user, etc.), and I can't imagine that Meta would self-regulate any more than they are forced to now. Their apps and SDKs already hoover up as much data as the system will silently allow, but I'd rather not be forced to expand my device to them, if possible.

Automated scanning is already accomplished outside the App Store on macOS via notarization.

I share your concerns but the immediate response I have to them is "needs more regulation."

We shouldn't let Meta take advantage of regulations towards Apple. We should use it as an opportunity to write more regulation of both of these entities for the purpose of serving the end user.

More regulations to fix the regulations?

Yes, it's obvious that big tech has been insufficiently regulated.

What solutions do you propose?

The solution shouldn't be worse than the problem it's solving. The default position should be "do nothing."

Luckily that same legislation designates whatsapp as a gatekeepee and so they have to open up their api

whether they stonewall oss clients with attestation for 'security' remains to be seen

> - Give developers access to any hardware feature, such as "near-field communication technology, secure elements and processors, authentication mechanisms, and the software used to control those technologies."

> Here comes the Meta App Store to bypass all iOS privacy protections :(

> I really like the idea of an eject button to run arbitrary code and operating systems on my pocket computer, but 99% of the time I want it to "just work." If I valued the former over the latter I would have bought an Android phone.

> Here comes the Meta App Store to bypass all iOS privacy protections :(

i value choice. no one is forcing you to download meta

Well, at least not until your employer/kids school/other entity you don't really have a choice about forces it down your throat.

I think this worry is overblown. We already have this on android, and FB/WhatsApp are still on the Google App Store. FB could start an alternative FB App Store tomorrow on android much more than they can on iOS and it’s been shown that nobody bothers.

I don’t think this means that the iOS permissions system doesn’t stay in place. This is basically “you can’t just allowlist certain phone features to your own software”

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