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Those old school style forms were much better than today's single page scrolling pages that are difficult to navigate and take up so much RAM.

Doesn't help that I have to scroll left and right to read the text on mobile though.

Would be nice to have a forum software that's:

* lightweight * mostly web 1.0 tech * UI usable on desktop and mobile

If you subtract the web 1.0 requirement, then Discourse might be for you.

Discourse is 80% good and sane defaults, but 20% utterly unbearable tut-tutting by people who seem convinced they know how other people should run their communities.

As a user, you will be constantly nudged and prodded and notified, and as an admin you can't do anything about it.

e.g. I would like weekly summaries mailed. You can't, you can only get summaries if you haven't visited the site in a while. Because it's not a feature designed to help users keep track of the site, but a lure designed to bring inactive users back to the site.

This is how the people who build it think, and it is irritating af. It's gen-Z style mothering and busybodying and it needs to die in a fire.

My suspicion is that unusable websites on mobile is one third lack of motivation or awareness (as in old websites), one third incompetence (where an attempt was made but it isn't useable) and one third deliberate to force you onto an app (masquerading as incompetent).

I have round the D forum to be quite pleasant, although I don't really use it: https://forum.dlang.org/

But my favorite remains mailing lists with a web interface, like on sourcehut: https://lists.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/public-inbox. It's hard to beat it in terms of lightweightness

I remember when this was announced. The website is so spectacularly bad, and so deeply and embarrassingly inappropriate (huge complicated sluggish incompatible mess, for what was a tiny, efficient, old player), that it put me off.

Also, any mention of NFTs screams "SCAMMERS!" at me.

So, anyway, I tried it.

I recently got a Win7 installation back up and running. It's a few years old but it's never really been used, so it's clean and fast. WinAmp seemed appropriate.

It installs. Then the all-default installation tells me I didn't install some subsystem I need for the skin I chose, and reverts to the old one.

Well, it is a beta.

I tried it for a while, streaming a radio station I listen to a lot (and am listening to now, via iTunes).

The songs regularly sllloooowwwweeeedddd doooooooooowwn for a bit when my CPUs got busy, then caught it. It was distracting. I don't know if this is Windows' fault or mine, but I don't expect that in 2022, even on an OS from a dozen years back.

It works. It's not a great experience, but it works.

Wonder if I can install an ancient version of Netscape 7 and extract the Netscape WinAmp skin? That was a favourite, about 20 years ago...

> but the largest and hardest part was actually migrating the entire project from VS2008 to VS2019

Worst I've ever had to do was 2008 to 2015 but damn I don't envy those teams.

That is a monster migration. I wonder how big the migration compatibility list was. I haven't used VS since about 2017, but in some ways I miss it. It's big and unwieldy, but very powerful and helpful and was a staple of my 20s as a software dev.

Maybe it won't be so bad. Let's click build and see what fails?

*errors scroll up screen faster than any mortal can read for 20 minutes*

You know? Maybe I should check the docs.

I remember doing it to one of our legacy projects and the list was so long I just created new solutions and projects from scratch and copy the files over one at a time and ran them independently so I could slowly ensure everything worked

I loved Visual Studio (and Visual C++ before it), but after firing it up again and seeing the same ridiculous defects 10 years later was pretty disheartening.

This is a pretty good rundown: https://goldmanosi.blogspot.com/2012/05/visual-studio-is-it-...

Had to do many VS migrations and in the end, proper version control system hygiene has helped a lot. Moving the strict necessary code and metadata only (.sln, .csproj and so on) and letting the IDE rebuild the rest has been the easiest.

You know, with all the UUID garbage these solution files have inside, I expected VS to recognize and set everything to right places. But NO. NONE of my projects could be built in the next release. NEVER. The errors are chaotic and it becomes easier to just write that sh* by hand in notepad. But what would you expect from an evilcorp?..

It struck me too! They have the entirety of my feelings. I was not yet able to migrate from 2010 to 2019 :( MS ruined VS after the 6.0.

I really wish they could just open-source this.

https://getwacup.com/

I thought this was another one of the fan-patches until I saw that the Direct Download URL was from download.nullsoft.com. This is official!

I thought it was dead at some point. lol

It would be good to remove the trackers from this URL.

Do you mean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_referer ?

No, he means this:

  http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?t=458120&utm_source=socialmedia&utm_medium=fb&utm_campaign=winamp5.9&utm_term=july2022
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Updated: [in_mod] libopenmpt

huhhh I thought they had their own in-house tracker parser. I always had the impression that some songs just sound better in winamp compared to any other player I've tried.

I read they were swapping some components for FOSS equivalents, so perhaps it is a result of that.

Kind of a bummer to hear they are giving up on theirs (if it even exists lol)

But at the same time I wouldn't expect the people that put out that abomination of a frontpage to even know what's an xm file.

WinAmp's mod player was wildly inaccurate anyway, so it's probably not a great loss. IIRC it specifically didn't support a lot of IT features (instrument filter envelopes, etc)

I remember using the "oldskool" plugin with it which made their comparability noticably better.

The feature comparison chart between 4 and 5 would not look good. I have yet to find a media player that offers as many available settings for auto-transcoding and directory structuring on sync as Winamp 4.x.x . I bought a license back in 2016 or so to sync music to sd cards for a car I had.

Does it still have the “it whips the lamas ass” track?

Hasn't the llamas ass been kicked enough at this point? At what point do we report Winamp for animal abuse?

That should've been taken out as soon as they sold to AOL.

confirmed. plays as soon as you launch winamp for the first time.

runs well in wine too. I'd say it's like 1998 here, listening to the new pornographers on winamp if not for the flac and wine and linux

version 2.91 is all you need.

How is this any better than WACUP?

It's standalone.

This just bring good memories. On thing I hope they get to make it works better on 4K displays

For me CTRL+D was enough. Never used double-scale before 4K. :D (but it's for classic, I don't know if modern skins have this feature)

It's too bad they won't just open source it...

Yeah, you would think it would have been leaked already.. Winamp is a cultural artifact!

It was in fact leaked.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29379346

Oh wow. Is that source code from a newish version? (I don't see any files in the main root.)

The leaked source is from somewhere between 5.65 & 5.66. https://getwacup.com/blog/index.php/2021/04/17/what-does-the...

XMMS is the closest we had, I don't think it's kept up anymore.

There's another open-source media player that will let you load up WinAmp skins. But heck if I can remember what it was, or find it. It looks nothing like WinAmp without the skins though...

While I was searching, I did find this though. http://qmmp.ylsoftware.com/ QMMP seems to be a QT-based player that looks like WinAmp.

And I can't find a WinAmp clone that works on MacOS, either. I'm dying for one since I have to use a Mac for work, and that's when I do most of my listening. I love having the little tiny player up in the corner. Visible, accessible, but out of the way because it's so small and you can shade the window!

EDIT: I found it! Audacious supports WinAmp skins also!

Try this: https://desktop.webamp.org/

Daily QMMP user here. Not without its quirks but fairly usable. It's the best thing for Qt-based DE AFAIK.

I'd say it has effectively been succeeded by Audacious:

https://audacious-media-player.org/

... which is under active development:

https://audacious-media-player.org/news/53-audacious-4-2-rel...

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