My wife, who is fully vaccinated + 1 booster is presently fighting Covid and due to her asthma we took her to the ER on Friday. The ER doc told her that she has noticed that vaccinated Covid patients she has seen seem to have less hypoxia issues when they catch it but almost all of the people she sees are vaccinated.
Maybe cases are milder if vaccinated, but really do we know this? How do you separate the difference between the variant causing a more mild case from the vaccine causing the variant to be milder. If a population is significantly vaccinated, but the unvaccinated have likely already contracted and developed a natural immunity, the # of unvaccinated, first time covid infected people might be rather small bit this is the control we need to measure natural immunity effectiveness from vaccine effectiveness on Covid variants spreading today.
Is there some reason we need to cover this again?
A year ago, we were being told by the same people telling us now that the vaccines are effective at preventing severe disease…that the same vaccines prevent people from catching Covid. We also know that these same people have intentionally misled, emphasized problematic studies that supported their POV, and downplayed good studies that did not support their POV. They have played politics with science and that is bad.
So it’s important to look at this pragmatically. If the experts are telling us that their advice has evolved as their understanding of the disease has improved, it’s reasonable to assume their current advice is as problematic as their past advice.
We knew this a year ago.
I’m pretty sure from the current studies that we do know, or at least strongly believe, that the vaccines, etc do reduce hospitalizations and death.
That would explain why they are recommended.
However, if more data comes in, please update us.
Really? July of 2021 both President Biden and Dr. Fauci we’re making the claim on television that the vaccines “prevented” people from catching Covid.
If it was known a year ago that this was not true, but they said it anyway…do you believe that makes their case for vaccines today more persuasive?
More likely—“Current studies” at that time lead them to “know, or at least strongly believe” that the vaccines did prevent contracting the virus.
Either they were lying, or they were wrong. Either one of those reasons is enough for me to apply a fair dose of skepticism and pragmatism to the topic.
Perhaps you just have more faith than I do that this time things are different.
Now please include a source for Dr. Fauci.
This tactic where you tell us what someone said and it turns out to be wrong is getting old.
He wasn’t sure in March but according to you he was sure in July
“Fauci explains that it is not yet clear how effective the current vaccines are at curbing the spread of the virus from an immunized person to others. In other words, a vaccine will prevent the recipient from getting sick, but that person may still carry the virus and expose those who have not received the vaccine.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-fauci-vaccineeffec...
However, July 23rd 2021 Town Hall, Biden conveyed same thing.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/politics/fact-check-biden-cnn...
I can find no clips of Fauci “correcting” the president after that clip. Only after it became apparent to everyone that the vaccines were not effective at preventing Covid, did the administration start shifting the narrative to the prevention of disease severity talking point.
Fact is, they were wrong, or they were lying to intentionally mislead to encourage vaccination. Either way, what they say now about it now should be examined skeptically.
I just read this little tidbit. So you posted here that he said in July in essence: “that the vaccine will prevent the recipient from getting sick” (which as we know, quite wrong). Yet, you derided me for saying that he said that very same thing a year ago.
Fascinating that you somehow think you are providing evidence on here that we shouldn’t be skeptical of the claims that are being made. You yourself are apparently engaing the same misdirection that the administration did.
Almost every study the government touts for vaccine efficacy now relies on correlation instead of causation evidence.
I think that gives us cause to look at the information from the government with a skeptical eye.
How is that different than 0% efficacy?