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> It's a $2,000 laptop running the same OS as a $900 laptop, running the same git binary that you execute on a $35 Raspberry Pi. I don't see it.

I suppose you're right if you do absolutely everything on the command line, but in terms of the GUI and GUI applications, there's a world of difference, and once you factor in the Apple ecosystem (so contacts and notes are automatically synched between my phone and my Macs, etc) and the speed and polish of programs like Safari and Numbers, the value proposition becomes quite different. Us Mac users could use our Mac systems as generic Unix/Linux boxes, but few of us actually do.

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> I suppose you're right if you do absolutely everything on the command line, but in terms of the GUI and GUI applications, there's a world of difference,

Visual Studio Code and Jetbrains IDE work the same in Windows/Linux as in Macs. So I don't see the advantage of Mac here.

Neither of those are Mac applications. One is an Electron pile of ass and the other is a Java pile of ass.

See Xcode or Nova for examples of real Mac IDEs/editors.

But note that my post was not just talking about development tools. I get work done on my Macs, but I also handle finances, play games, study, write documents, and shitpost on HN. All of those things (with the exception of the "play games" part sometimes) I find more pleasant to do in the familiar environment of a Mac.

That's all it is. You're familiar with Mac environments. Great. End of (useful) discussion.

Is Xcode really the IDE you want to be brining up as proof of Mac superiority?

Well, I wasn't really bringing it up as proof of Mac superiority, but it's certainly a better experience than one can get from non-native programs.

I personally don't get all the hate for Xcode, but whatever. To each their own I guess.

> Visual Studio Code and Jetbrains IDE work the same in Windows/Linux as in Macs

Slow and bloated?

I sometimes have to code in Java for my work, and someone told me about a great Vim plugin for it (and also how to make plugin groups, that helps a lot). The only moment i leave the CLI nowadays are caused by Jenkins.

I think the only GUI i use is my browser, so Mac is a hard pass for me (also, while apple us keyboard is fine, the French one is utter shit)

Can you use docker or vms on one of these arm macs yet?

Since about five months after initial hardware availability, yes.

Numbers is speedy? ;)

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