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I am pretty sure there are a handful of good (based on Tailwind CSS) template generators which will produce results superior to the pages you received.

Sure, you'd need to hire someone to do the logo and the custom icons, but I am certain that would not cost you anywhere near $46k.

Furthermore, I cannot comprehend how this actually happened even if you shared all the details. Holy shit, for $46k you could have gotten the spaceship-equivalent of a design from someone who actually loves what they are doing.

Mate, $46k is annual salary for A LOT of people. In the amount of months that it took for them to "finish" the project, a junior dev could have picked up design chops and done a 10x better job at this.

Just wow....

ALSO A QUICK EDIT:

If anyone needs design work done (best I can do is a checkout page with a bunch of unstyled ordered lists) my pricing starts at $40k per 8 months, which is a lot less for what the author's company was charging him.

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In my opinion, you're not paying $175 for a good looking page. You're paying that premium for an expertise in what will convert, how to build a funnel, and what to measure. I can pay a guy $60/hr in India, and get something that looks decent.

I don't know where you got the idea that this agency has any experience in design conversions or building funnels, but I won't dismiss your comment entirely.

From a design standpoint, my biggest gripe is with the first two sections on the landing page design. I mean, it quite literally looks like either the site is reselling (drop-shipping) or it's a knockoff scam. At no point did I get the impression of "brand identity" or "this product looks trustworthy".

Which means that the primarily source of sales for this product is word of mouth (reputation), and to be fair I wouldn't be surprised if this agency just realized that themselves and exploited the whole idea.

If reputation is how you get sales, then why give a shit about building a brandable design. A design that actually converts and is possible to measure in long-term.

Except the name of the game for agencies is to book a big expensive project and farm it out to entry level employees (dev and designers) with just enough supervision to be better.

Then have a fun enough office to try and keep people around in an extremely high turn over industry.

It is what almost everyone is doing unfortunately who gets big enough to carry a team.

The best designers and developers also don't tend to want to do contract work like this.

> I can pay a guy $60/hr in India

Man, you’re really overpaying if you think an Indian designer would be $60/hr.

That would be more than the annual salary of a senior FAANG engineer.

wait what? 50 weeks * 60 / hr * 40 hr weeks = 120k yearly. what senior faang engineer is making less than that?

"In India"

Ones in India.

Based on the sales graph, it sounds like they didn't even accomplish that much.

> I am pretty sure there are a handful of good (based on Tailwind CSS) template generators which will produce results superior to the pages you received.

Where are they?

Here: https://tailwindui.com/templates

Am I missing something? These are templates, not template generators. To me a template generator is something like theme builders for Wordpress.

You can try Shuffle[0].

[0]: https://shuffle.dev/

He says he got a 40% increase in sales, so I imagine that takes the edge off a little LOL!

Well he had a 32% increase (vs. the previous month) in June [1]. I'm not sure how the increase was calculated but I don't think see how you can attribute 40% to the redesign - the graph is already up and to the right ;)

[1] https://mtlynch.io/retrospectives/2022/07/#tinypilothttpstin...

how does one contact you?

fartingwizard[at]hhhhhsssshssss[dot]dev

I primarily code in Python so that's why the weird domain name.

Professional, nice.

do you have a professional portfolio page or website?

I do not as global warming has caused my servers to dissolve into ash particles. You can try to find me in your favorite code editor (I live there now), but alas...to answer your question - if you are genuinely curious about the type of work I can do, please see Cameron's World[0] as it best reflects my approach to brandable (and sustainable I guess) web design.

[0]: https://www.cameronsworld.net/

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