LTT showcases A770 with some performance data, price estimate [video]
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- Similar performance to AMD and Nvidia in Vulkan and DX12 games (tier 2 games)
- Inferior performance to AMD and Nvidia in DX11 and below games (tier 3 games)
- Positioning and pricing will be based on tier 3 games
Intel GPUs can be a real bang for the buck for Linux gamers due to DXVK being used with most games. It will also be interesting to see if DXVK can also improve Intel's performance on Windows games.
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Similar performance to AMD & Nvidia's lower midrange cards fwiw. Intel's top tier sku isn't aiming very high, only seems to be targeting something like the RTX 3060 (non-ti).
Fine enough place to start, but not exactly the most exciting thing even if the price turns out to be great.
What really would drive me to support them directly would be (para)virtualization support via SR-IOV/GVT-g. Especially given Microsoft's recent stunts an increasing amount of people (including me and close friends) are evaluating moving to Linux while keeping a Windows VM around, but both NVIDIA and AMD seem adamant about keeping those features gated to enterprise cards (even thought it's a software thing, see community efforts to reverse this[1]) so they can charge ludicrous prices to businesses for those.
My opinion is that if Intel wants to get their foot in the door they should win over enthusiast by breaking patterns such as this one rather than try to compete exclusively on performance.
I hope someone will benchmark a game with DX9+dgVoodoo2 vs native DX9.
It sure sucks to need two cards, but I went/want AMD for Linux and still(sadly) NVIDIA for Windows.
It works really great. A 3 display setup where left is always Linux, right is always windows (when it's running) and middle is switched between inputs with ddcutil (cli tool to reconfigure your display).
I tried looking-glass framebuffer copy over a shared memory bus but it wasn't quite as smooth for me as switching inputs.
I'm on low-end gear, AMD 5600x, AMD 390, NVIDIA 3060, ASUS X570-P board. No tuning whatsoever, I let the Linux scheduler deal with it and it's good enough.
I can't recommend looking-glass enough as your spice client for mouse and keyboard capture, it's great.
Though this can all go fck right off if someone(Intel) does SR-IOV on consumer gear, I will replace my cards in a beat.
The cheapest ones are like 8 years old and out of support and still costs like $250, comes with a fan and still doesn't have decent outputs. And also takes a lot of PCI-E slots. A dual graphics card system means you barely have expandability options left after you have the hardware required to boot. And that ~one PCI-E slot still visible might be disabled if you decide to use another NVME-drive.
The amount of research required to pull it off is insane.
This is my biggest hope for Intel/ARC. A low powered card with decent number of outputs for a fair price and decent linux support.
6600 costs about $350 where I live, which is quite steep considering it's only purpose is to serve 2D and very basic 3D editing. Especially considering you'd also need a more capable/expensive card for the VM (at least for my usecase) .
Compared to A380 with 4 digital outputs which costs less than $200, it has the potential to be an extremely attractive linux card.
For this reason and how displayport/gfx-vendors handle unplugged cables I do prefer HDMI/DVI. Wish it wasn't the case.
Maybe a MST-hub could work well but I've heard of some of the difficulties and pecularities a simple KVM-switch can suffer from so I don't have high hopes for it.
Most of the ones that don't are because of anti-cheat, which wouldn't work inside a VM anyway.
(On-topic, I want a consumer level card with SR-IOV too. I should be able to have my desktop be a VM in a closet without buying a license and card that cost more than a car.)
Linus asked the Intel reps for that on the WAN show and the answer was that Intel was also going to have that he an enterprise only feature at least initially but they'd try to escalate.
But I wouldn't get your hopes up. I'd love to have it and it's really dumb it's so locked up, but nobody seems to want to risk devaluing the enterprise markup.
A a380 from China benchmarked.
Intel sent some engineers over after to explain the models and talk about drivers and tech.. https://youtu.be/AN8ZAf15DrM
like, back in 2010 i think, this guy warns me "WTF are you tweeting incendiary stuff with your name..." and i was like "holyyyyyy sh...."
since then i have maintained watertight identities across any public platform i join with handles i never recycle".
i obviously don't post incendiary stuff nowadays because of being busy with work but the habit has stuck.
There's not really anything intel could be hiding here that's worse than the big performance issues they acknowledge. And I'd much rather have this kind of preview than nothing.
This is some 'old man yells at clouds' level posting man. Why do it?
I used to like their videos because they seemed honest and somewhat transparent. But about a year ago I received a LTT branded hoodie (WAN hoodie) as a Christmas gift and I was seriously shocked but the quality. It's July now which means that is been more then half a year and I haven't worn it once since trying it.
The inside of the hoodie is extremely rough so much so that it could be unpleasant to the touch. The zipper is flipped, which means that you have to use the other hand to zip it, which here where the position of the zipper is basically standard is perceived as just basically wrong, at first I thought that maybe it was a manufacturing defect, but there seem to be many people that report a flipped zipper and when I was trying mine on quite a lot of lose threads were just falling out.
This was a real shock to me, especially because LTT always talks about how quality is important and how they won't release a product if it isn't good.
Sadly I can't return it, because it was a gift and I've been told that the import costs and shipping for the hoodie were almost the cost of the hoodie.
1. It was a gift, so it just feels wrong, which is of course completely subjective and on me.
2. It being a gift I don't have the receipt for the hoodie, which could cause issues.
3. Shipping again. For those wondering, I'm from Slovenia, Europe, so it is quite away from Canada.
You can't really fault ltt for that.
However, an argument could me made that “We have the first look at the new technology. We’re obviously very limited at what we can legally say or show, but nevertheless here’s a very limited sneak peak” is still genuine journalism. They’ve reported as much as they could and did not hide obvious Intel participation, etc.
The video was very underwhelming and cringey imho. But to informed audience it probably wasn’t misleading or false - that’s how I felt after watching it.
This is 100% Intel trying to set the correct level of expectations for what will be a extremely competitively priced GPU with major compatibility issues at launch.
They do disclose what companies send them what, at least. They're better than most YouTube reviews in that sense.
Their current content is always entertainment first, sales second, reliable reviews third. They're a media company, it's the way they do business.
I have no idea what they were trying to do in this video other than show off some cherry picked samples. I'd much rather have seen a quick table of stats next to the unscripted interview during their podcast to be honest, but that doesn't bring in any cash.
( It also goes to show the type of influence LTT can have when they bother to send actual engineers to showcase and prove those improvements. That's something they probably wouldnt have bothered with if they knew LTT was just going to parrot the corporate line if they showered him with enough money.)
If I’m an engineer from, say, Intel, I’m not moving from Oregon or Arizona to Vancouver for it.
Twice in a decade?
The first time they lost no data, the second time they lost a small amount because they weren't monitoring failed drives.
Considering it's data they don't care about enough to back up, that doesn't seem so bad.
I'm expecting they'll do Anandtech/iFixit level writeups along with the video.
I imagine it'll be something along the lines of ServeTheHome but with wider topics.
To have a day one review, you have to get a prerelease device. To get said device, you have to stick to mfg talking points. It's an awful circle of scummy companies and scummy people.
Really wish there was a reviewer who just buys shit with their own money AFTER release, and tells it like it is. Some may exist, but none of the household names have the integrity to do so.
I prefer the ltt approach here. They went pretty hard on Intel on their original Arc video a few weeks ago, but the fact that they are known for not burning bridges made it worthwhile for Intel to respond and showcase the improvements they have made since. As I said in another comment, they wouldn't have bothered if linus could've been just paid to update his review to make intel look better. But I also don't think Linus would have had that type of influence (enough for a corporation like Intel to engage with his complaints directly ) if he just kept burning bridges instead of keeping channels open.
(Gamer nexus is far far from the worst in that regard, and they too had a visit from intel engineers. But I still think the LTT approach is just different, but I dont think that means they are just corporate shills.)
Hear me out here. Maybe it is warranted and we ought, instead of directing the criticism towards the messenger or those who expose problems, direct this towards the manufacturers which produce subpar products?
I'll still totally watch GN reviews of specific products that I might purchase. But that's kind of my point, LTT and GN fill a different niche. If I'm not shopping around, at the very least LTT videos are more "entertaining". And even then, while their reviews may be less serious, they usually still end up with very similar conclusion than GN regardless of who is sponsoring them.
Linus can be cringy but imo that's better than the current trend in some PC tech channels to take completely trivial stuff, like say the 3090ti being not much better than the 3090 (oh no!), super seriously. It's useful info don't get me wrong, but it doesn't warrant an angry reaction or outrage.
(If anything GN is really not that bad in that regard compared to other channels, but it still happens sometimes.)
LTT and many other reviewers don't even go into depth and often get details critically wrong, such as falling victim to Nvidia's GTX 970 "4gb memory" scam, because they didn't know how to test VRAM and discover 0.5gb of that memory was severely degraded in performance.
They also don't appear to have any process to vet people they take money from, given they're partners with Gigabyte who dumped PSUs onto the market they knew were dangerous, and several exploded as a result.
They aren't reviewers because they have a conflict of interest. If they fairly review products, companies will not send them review units.
Ultimately, follow-ups are rare because they don't sell - the benchmarks which get referenced are the ones which spread the widest, which are the ones closest to release, which is when usually the most people are interested in a given product.
YMMV. But I won't say it's garbage. I do get value out of this and similar "reviews"
Literally if you haven't made and released a video in the two days after the embargo drops, you're not going to get substantial views, at least not enough to be a household name.
So, even if you are independent, you play the game and you try not to p*ss the vendor off while also maintaining independence.
Ultimately, the Intel videos by LTT and GN weren't a full review, and both were previews. But importantly, they were previews in a way that we really aren't used to big corporates allowing, and that's a positive change. While both channels were clearly being friendly, I don't think there was anything shill about it. The vendor set the bounds of what they could show in exchange for the right to share what was allowed, but I didn't see them reading from the hymn sheet. Heck, Intel spoke openly things that previously nVidia and AMD would have been trying to hide or avoid, it's refreshing.
You take the videos for what they were, a preview under specific conditions. Later on there will be full reviews, unconstrained benchmarks and time for a full critique. But I bet with great certainty, most people won't ignore these preview videos, or any "day zero" reviews, in favour of channels that don't work with Intel PR.