Ask HN: Do any of you “space out” when you are programming or cogitating?
[1] https://www.epilepsy.com/what-is-epilepsy/seizure-types/absence-seizures
[1] https://www.epilepsy.com/what-is-epilepsy/seizure-types/absence-seizures
Yes I do get that epileptics are not (always?) aware when they are having Absence Seizures. Which is also a derivative concern: how may times when I "space out" programming do I actually loose awareness? A lot of time can pass when I am working and I am often surprised that I have been "working" so long - especially when it is a particularly challenging software design issue that may only be represented by a minimal amount of code.
Does anybody else get that driving? I treat it as a form of trying to be present. Usually drivers are mentally consumed with something they are driving from or to (or what is on the phone or the radio) and not with the roadway that is rapidly being navigated. Sometimes I find I have been mentally consumed with something unrelated to driving as I go from A to B, wondering how on earth I got there. I now try and be hyper-present with the roadway and driving conditions, even though my brain can process a lot more.
I am really beginning to question what "normal" really is to homo sapiens that spent the better part of two million years as hunter gatherers up until only 12,000 years ago. It's not like we have had a chance to really evolve the finer points of critical thinking.
But there's no history of epilepsy in my family. Also as I understand it, an absence seizure blocks activity in the brain, so you'd get nothing done during an episode.
[0] https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseas...
I see that absence seizures are also mistaken for not paying attention, or daydreaming. But really, these are petit mal seizures yielding significant EEG measurements, do I have that right?
If so, that's got to be quite a tempting overlap for a latch-on self diagnosis when other terminologies aren't bringing the needed satisfaction. Especially if it seems like there is some deficit in the overall subjective work outcome. I hope that access to EEGs is pretty straightforward.
I had an EEG done by a professor of neuroscience (for insights into how my brain lit up during various tasks) and it didn't seem like it had to be anything super clinical, so, fingers crossed for those who really need to get those graphs checked out and discover what's behind the lapses.
In my case the professor challenged me to work on using my frontal lobe more, because I use the back side of my brain gobs, I guess. I did a lot of work on correcting the connections so to speak, and I have to say it has helped a lot. I also developed my own meditation technique to build on the fact that I have more ready access to the non-frontal stuff and I find it really relaxing.
When your "professor challenged (you) to work on using (your) frontal lobe more", what exactly did he mean? How did you do that?
I would love to be tested with EEG etc, and will definitely bring this up at my next medical visit, although they may not take me seriously.
As a young man I played a lot with biofeedback (including heart rate, galvanic skin response and brainwaves) measured with really simple electroencephalography (EEG) electrodes. I was amazed how easy it was to influence the result with neurofeedback. Anyone here doing anything like that? I might buy a simple recorder and measure my brainwaves during a hackathon.
> what exactly did he mean? How did you do that?
From the way he explained it, he was referring to increasing my attention to subjective-executive activity. So like, "ah, I know what I'll try next time!" subjective organizations of things, subjective logic, frameworks, clever plans.
My main go-to is subjective-perceptive, IOW kind of waiting, watching what's coming, and more existentially surfing those waves as they come, more foresight- and in-the-moment-based perceptual activity.
So one example of an activity I do more often now is a sort of lessons-learned organization of things, looking back at what happened during a given activity or context, and planning for what I'd do differently next time.
IDK how that sounds since it's been both a huge change and also one that's mostly in my past, but in my case it was a real game-changer. However I'd really emphasize that this is just based on my own EEG results as processed through his experience in doing that kind of thing, and not general advice necessarily. For some people the steps I took myself can really make things much worse for sure, even though it sounds constructive generally speaking. For example if you're naturally a subjective-executive person, you run the risk of basically overusing that functionality and developing huge blind spots which could lead to problems.
BTW a long time ago I used to participate in a university-level biofeedback lab. The instruments were pretty simple but the results were IMO pretty great and reliably so, in my case anyway. Should be a pretty good project if you get into it. I've been wanting to start on my own gear/lab for that kind of thing, but just haven't got to it yet.
And I notice random people having this too, I guess this can develop like described in wikipedia article.
I do experience deep thought, where I can be thinking about something that is maxing out my short term memory and if someone interrupts with their voice, I have to ask them to repeat what they just said. Also very frustrating for me as it takes considerable time and focus to return to that state.
> maxing out my short term memory is that a subjective experience where you legitimately feel you have run out of memory and cannot take in anything more?
Unfortunately there is no “fault” signal to engage the exception handler, I usually have to figure it out the hard way.
The STM duration seems way short given the nature of most software design problems. Is the implication that we reload the data that often when we keep at something?
> I pause and make two smaller problems I am assuming that is deliberate/intentional and not subliminal? If so, do you have any kind of mental algorithm for breaking things down?
It's when you have a whole, interlocking bunch of ideas in your head at once and can visualise how they work together. It often takes an hour or more to reach that state. Sometimes many hours can pass 'in a flash' while in it.
Its a common situation. And a famous depiction: https://heeris.id.au/2013/this-is-why-you-shouldnt-interrupt...