US support for environmental policies fading as political gap remains huge
arstechnica.com
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https://electrek.co/2022/07/14/renewables-cheaper-than-coal/
https://twitter.com/flacamera/status/1547190457444311041
> Investments in renewables continue to pay huge dividends in 2022, as highlighted by IRENA’s costs data. In non-OECD countries, the 109 GW of renewable energy additions in 2021 that cost less than the cheapest new fossil fuel-fired option will reduce costs by at least USD $5.7 billion annually for the next 25-30 years.
> High coal and fossil gas prices in 2021 and 2022 will also profoundly deteriorate the competitiveness of fossil fuels and make solar and wind even more attractive. With an unprecedented surge in European fossil gas prices, for example, new fossil gas generation in Europe will increasingly become uneconomic over its lifetime, increasing the risk of stranded assets.
https://www.fastcompany.com/90758168/3-charts-that-explain-t...
> To make a swift transition to a cleaner grid, the United States needs to set records for renewable electricity generation pretty much every single quarter. So far in 2022, the numbers are encouraging.
> From January to March, renewable energy power plants generated 242,956 gigawatt hours (GWh), which was 23.5% of U.S. electricity generation; both records—an increase from 19.5% in the first quarter of 2021, and 20.8% in the full year. The growth was thanks in part to more than 80 new wind and solar plants that went online during the quarter. The figures are from the Energy Information Administration.
EDIT: @ ZeroGravitas: “The forest was shrinking but the trees kept voting for the axe, for the axe was clever and convinced the trees that because his handle was made of wood, he was one of them.”
Renewable energy is absolutely essential, but the path we are going down of simply building new renewable generation, performing a linear regression on that line, and assuming that it can keep going until the grid is 100% renewable is a big flashing red warning light to anyone who understands the physics. If you want to support renewable generation, support storage!!! Build batteries, build pumped storage hydro, build transmission. The generation is the easy part!
Without planning and policy, the economics of the issue will not solve it on their own, we will end up with a mess of an unreliable power grid until such time that the incentives no longer support building new renewables and we will have the worst of both worlds.
There's roughly 430GW of storage currently in US ISO interconnect queues wrt to your comment about supporting storage [2]. If the grid is unreliable, funds will be spent on storage to make it reliable, because the alternatives are uneconomical (Hawaii's Oahu island is replacing its last coal fired plant in the next 60 days with Tesla Megapacks for grid services, for example [3]). The demand for this is fairly evident [4].
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31926560
[2] https://www.energy-storage.news/estimated-427gw-of-energy-st...
[3] https://electrek.co/2022/06/27/tesla-megapacks-replace-hawai...
The estimate is for late 2020s costs, which is not too far away. I'm guessing they ignored the end of the solar subsidy, and all the necessary grid changes to reach 100% renewables.
The O'ahu batteries replace the last coal plant, but not the last fossil fuel plant. Also, it's meant for black-start.
Nobody knows exactly what the last mile will look like yet. The graphic doesn't claim to know either. As a reader, you should not extrapolate those near-term forecasts and anecdotes all the way to the end.
Millions of EVs charging at night and the in the middle of the day, and discharging in the morning and evening, goes a long way to balancing demand and generates a tidy profit for EV buyers, further encouraging adoption.
In California, charging at 40c/kWh during the day and discharging at 85c/kWh (for evening peak) would yield about $23 daily - or $8,400 annually.
Most Tesla's retain above 90% battery capacity after 100,000 miles [1]
Completely charging and discharging daily for one year is equivalent to 99,280 miles. A new Model 3 battery pack costs $15,800 [1] currently. 10% degradation is equivalent to $1,580.
Doing this currently would provide a ~7-year payback period on a Model 3.
[1] https://evannex.com/blogs/news/tesla-model-3-battery-degrada...
[2] https://www.slashgear.com/857917/replacing-the-battery-pack-...
I ask again - would you do that? Do you think your neighbors would do that? Do you think it's reasonable to base an entire power grid on that? What about if power starts to get cheaper on a particular day? Do you let the grid reach brownout status based on individual market pricing of individual actors?
Or do you just build some dedicated storage stations like any reasonably designed system?
We will need, after enough generating capacity is built out, much cheaper storage than any car has. Cars have radically different requirements for their storage than the grid does: fast charging, fast discharging, lightweight, compact, collision tolerant. These make it much more expensive than alternatives.
The utility storage that will be built will necessarily be much cheaper, and store enormously more, than even a fully electric fleet could store. We are nowhere near a fully electric fleet, and barely moving toward one. The exact mix of utility storage we will have is impossible to predict, but it will be driven by the cost at the time it is being built.
We need to build factories for every kind of storage now, even though some will not be favored later. Demand will be high enough that more expensive ones that have factories ready will find buyers even if another will be cheaper "soon".
As in, I agree that all of this is a win but we could be forced into a very bad position if oil suddenly skyrockets in price due to scarcity (with no end in sight) and don’t have alternative, applicable energy storage options for things we depend on.
Politics still has an impact so likely red states will be paying more money for dirtier energy, with lower efficiencies and dying younger and poorer as a result just as the political influence of healthcare has impacted them to pay more and get less healthcare.
Not transitioning fast enough will be hard to distinguish from failing to transition at all. If global civilization, and the huge population that depends on it, is to pull through, much more has to be done, much faster. That the end state of success is huge prosperity is not enough when coal and oil still drive.
Building nukes mainly means continuing to burn coal for another decade. We hand over $trillions to coal and oil miners, every year. It would cost less than one year's fossil fuel revenue to transition off them, although it must take much longer than one year to build out. We can get across the line only by starting.
When you ask people to put a dollar value on that feeling, however, you get a different picture: https://www.cato.org/blog/68-americans-wouldnt-pay-10-month-...
If you ask people would they pay $1/month to combat climate change, most say yes. That’s probably your Dem/GOP split. But if you increase that to $20/month, then 68% of people won’t pay it, versus 30% who will. Only 15% will pay $75/month.
When the question is, in substance, “do you value climate change as a serious threat that you are personally willing to sacrifice to avoid,” the partisan gap narrows dramatically. The vast majority of people don’t put a dollar value on climate change that reflects the scientific consensus about its threat.
https://carbontracker.org/reports/no-country-for-coal-gen-be...
> phasing out unprofitable coal could save $10 billion per year and reduce household electricity bills by up to 10% by 2021
Once you specify who is going to get the money and for what, you're building in a lot of assumptions.
a) greedy and always seeking to improve their profits
b) more or less rational in that pursuit
If retiring coal is so profitable, why aren't companies actually doing it? I could see why there might be political pressures in places like West Virginia, but what about Illinois, Wyoming, Alaska, Washington?
(Actually Illinois is interesting in that they're raising utility rates to fund the proposed future shutdown of coal plants... Although that could just be plain old graft)
Certainly the people currently milking the public for $trillions annually pay big money into campaigns to delay transition of that money elsewhere.
It calls it out in bullet points right at the top:
> [We] detail how an outdated regulatory framework is one of the only reasons why uncompetitive coal power continues to operate in the US
What you appear to be assuming is that there is perfect competition in energy markets and that some upstart with solar could outcompete the incumbents if it was really cheaper and so force them to adjust to market prices.
This is not the case.
On top of that, there's also externalities. But even without counting those, there's money being wasted.
The time when we could solve this with 1% of GDP is past...
Emphasis mine.
This to me is a subtle admission that most people who think they've experienced the effects of climate change have in fact not experienced them, or at least, not in the ways they think. Otherwise it wouldn't simply be in many cases, but in every case or at least, in the vast majority of cases. But still, it implies that this is a good thing.
The data about the direction of the country appears to me to speak particularly about energy policy. The effect of climate change related regulation that is most prominent in people's lives is the price of fuel at the pump. Of course people think we are going in the wrong direction, their lives are getting significantly harder. And perhaps they're right, we all know that climate change policy is about balancing the needs of a population with it's impact on the environment with an eye to a good resolution, and perhaps the current cost of fuel is emblematic of a bit too aggressive approach.
One issue I take with a lot of these articles is the conflation of environmental policies with the subset of specifically climate change directed policies. I doubt most Americans are happy with the current set of regulations on chemical pollution in waterways and want more stringent restrictions. Most people would probably agree that logging woodland should be rotated. Most Americans wildly support environmental policies and regulations, but significantly less support the current policies aimed at fighting climate change.
In most cases where people are experiencing effects, we still can't definitively say yet that this particular or that particular one is definitively traceable to global climate disruption. But we know with certainty that, in aggregate, they are.
This term "climate change" that they still use is a problem. It is neutral, but we know that it is an imminent, looming catastrophe that, if we do not mobilize an overwhelming response, will engulf us and could well end with civilization collapsing and billions starving.
The exact mechanism of collapse is of course hard to predict. Will it be via ocean ecosystem collapse as dissolved CO2 increases, pH falls, and shells cannot be grown, eliminating much of the world's access to protein? We already see effects. Will it be via widespread crop failure from drought and flooding leading to mass migration of refugees? We see that, too. Or from heavily populated areas becoming literally fatal to be outdoors in, on certain days of the year? We see clear trends toward it. Will it be sea level rise flooding places millions live, who must then move? Sea level rise is quite unevenly distributed. Will it be when ocean currents change routes, causing huge changes to local climate well beyond average global change?
Two things are certain: (1) people will not stay put and die, and (2) the places they would need to move to or through already have people, in many cases also threatened.
Historically, mass movement has resulted in the ascent of fascist-like government, something already well along in the Philippines, Poland, Hungary, Brazil, and Russia, and threatening India, France, Italy, the Netherlands, Canada, and the US.
Rise of fascistic government is always followed by escalating war, leading by steps big and small toward global thermonuclear war. With or without nuclear holocaust, the international balance of forces grows unstable, and collapse comes more and more easily. We have seen big impacts from tiny supply chain hiccups already.
None of the individual steps are certain or inevitable, and the future is certain to deliver many surprises, but the direction is clear. How far down the path does it seem smart to go?
[1] https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2022/07/14/americans-div...
EDIT to add:
Brief Axios article on Pew report focuses on response differences (among Republicans) by age: A GOP generation gap on climate change [2]
[2] https://www.axios.com/2022/07/15/gop-climage-change-generati...