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I think this argument is very short-term thinking. Letting Russia take Ukraine would have enormous security implications long term.

I mean the lack of sanctions, hasn't stopped Russia after taking Crimea, so it's only fair to assume Ukraine wouldn't be the end to Russia's (Putin's) expansion either. They implied so many times. Their enormous investments in the destabilization of foreign politics, have made it a very real possibility that the U.S. might drop out of NATO, if Trump gets reelected. Orban and Erdogan are also wild cards.

Such a development would put Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, and Poland at risk.

In long, that isn't insanity at all.

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> Letting Russia take Ukraine would have enormous security implications long term

Yes, I am not disputing that.

I stated that the actions of EU (self-sanctions) have not, and will not affect whether or no Russia takes Ukraine though, this was the entire point of my post. It is part of what makes them so absurd.

An action that would affect would be to deploy there via strategic military action, but which our Moral Leaders are too scared (for right reasons, Russia has lots of nukes) to make. So they do this idiotic self-sanction regime to Feel Good (all paid by the tax payers and lower quality of life by people like me, who live in EU).

> I stated that the actions of EU (self-sanctions) have not, and will not affect whether or no Russia takes Ukraine though, this was the entire point of my post. It is part of what makes them so absurd.

What credentials, intel do you have to back this up? I've heard a lot of evidence to support the contrary. The sanctions are working, Russia is just telling us they're not and that's what the rooble is so highly valued right now.

The ruble is worthless because no one accepts it.

I am not credentialed, I am a Bad Person (I have my own Thoughts); as for "intel", I have none either.

I find these given cause-and-effect chains in defense of the sanctions and other actions largely to be magical thinking and hysterical (they'd be less so if they were actually backed by the proof-of-work of deploying to protect Ukraine).

Like, I don't care about the Ruble in itself. I was told that it would be flattened in two weeks. Well it wasn't, so we failed there. Okay, so next goal post is to pretend Ruble going up and down has helped Ukraine's strategic or operational capabilities or hurt Russia's, materially altered the course of the war. Well that's magical thinking, they were supposed to run out of missiles in two weeks somewhere around March, and it was like day or two ago they made their largest missile strike (which have been more or less continuous).

A NATO deployment would alter the outcome of the war, and that single action is not coming.

Russia can't build its own most advanced weapon designs, tank production lines are stopped and they're down to using non g-tolerant consumer chips in missiles, greatly degrading their reliability (you might note how their random long range terror bombing of civilian targets is doing absolutely nothing to win them the war, while their supply depots are blowing up).

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