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The overwhelming majority of the Ukrainians displaced want to fight.

Compromising with an aggressive dictator only delays that fight while making the dictator stronger

Probably best not to engage. These people simply do not see Ukrainians as humans with their own agency and really seem to believe they should just lay down and let the genocide happen to them.

By the same token you can also see me as more than that characterization, with different reasons for the ones you assume.

They want to fight because they were displaced because of an invasion.

My comment says the war is unnecessary - and that includes the invasion. The civil war in Ukraine between the west and the separatist regions could have ended in a compromise.

True, war is unnecessary.

Freedom is likewise "unnecessary".

You keep saying "civil war." It was nothing of the sort. It was a Russian operation to seize the Donbass after the Maiden revolution. The 2022 invasion is just Russia being more overt instead of relying on "little green men."

> You keep saying "civil war." It was nothing of the sort. It was a Russian operation to seize the Donbass after the Maiden revolution.

Well, to weaken Ukraine; the invasion of much of Eastern Ukraine and the seizure of Crimea were both part of that.

The 2022 “special military operation” was to complete the destruction of the independent Ukraine regime with a decapitation, but failed and was forced to pivot to seizing more land to try to drive the long term dynamic more in Russia’s favor.

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