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I reported[1] this repository, which seems to be encouraging doxxing or harassment of social media accounts the repository owner (a leftist, from the look of things) doesn't like, to GitHub.

[1] https://support.github.com/contact/report-abuse?category=rep...

EDIT: implicitly encouraging

I hope you reported the Cancel-culture repo too.

The README is pretty explicit: it's an archive, meaning that any "doxxing" is whatever the original user accounts uploaded about themselves. That would be a pretty radical deflation of a term that's normally used to describe forcefully deanonymizing someone with information they didn't provide.

And I don't see a call for harassment anywhere. The author clearly has opinions, but there's no call to action.

People are free to nitpick the purpose but I think it's pretty clear.

I also found the "licensed under the Anti-Capitalist license" pretty amusing, considering they are posting a project on GitHub--owned by Microsoft--and relying on US copyright law.

Far be it from me to psychologize him, but I suspect it's no different from Ayn Rand's welfare checks[1].

[1]: https://www.openculture.com/2016/12/when-ayn-rand-collected-...

You either have no idea who travisbrown is or support this type of behavior. He literally harasses people he doesn’t agree with by defaming their character on any platform and/or forum that doesn't kick him out for breaking community guidelines and CoCs. I’m pretty liberal and think that fits a modern definition of harassment.

You're right, I didn't know who he was. But I read some of his posts just now. He's clearly very angry (it's not healthy to be so angry), but I also don't see anything that meets a standard of defamation. He seems to have receipts for just about every potentially defamatory claim he makes, which presumably come from this big Twitter archive of his.

He’s actually been sued for defamation and there’s a bunch of history that isn't on his public Twitter account.

Okay. I'm going based on what I saw on his blog. I'll reserve further judgement.

(Barring a conviction for defamation, I don't know what a suit says. There have been a handful of defamation lawsuits in the tech community over the last decade, all(?) of which ended in embarrassment for the complainant.)

For the record I've never been sued for defamation (I was once sent a cease-and-desist letter by John De Goes, a Scala conference organizer who didn't like that I had publicized things he'd said and done, but he was bluffing and never even replied to my lawyer's response).

Huh, didn't realize that was an empty threat. My bad.

Defamation implies falsehood. I'm fine with people being called out for things they've actually said or done.

I am too. It’s totally fair to say “this person said that” and even add on “and I don't agree with it”.

But travis very very liberally and unduly applies very serious and damaging labels to people.

“This person didn’t immediately agree with me that this other person is an alt-right white supremacist so they’re a transphobic racist” is not okay.

That’s is where I draw the line. One can make a statement of fact that travisbrown doesn't agree with or for which the implications make the left uncomfortable and he’ll label you a white supremacist racist transphobic bigot which these days can be career ruining. I support people’s freedom to express themselves but I also think we need to hold people accountable for unduly and deliberately trying to ruin people’s lives.

I know absolutely nothing about Brown as an individual or the Scala community in which he seems to be a controversial figure, so I can well understand anger from people who feel they have been falsely mislabeled or seen that happen to their colleagues.

On the other hand, looking at examples from his page identifying people as having issued death threats, I (for example), I can personally vouch for the accuracy of that statement due to familiarity with the individual described. My comment refers to the use of the tool to unmask previous Twitter identities, which can be very useful in tracking the architects of or participants in harassment campaigns. So I have no compunction about using it to that end.

People who regret prior behavior on social media and want to turn over a new leaf have the simple option of starting over with a new account. If they want to change their ID for privacy reasons but hang onto their friends and followers, that seems like a case of wanting to have one's cake and eat it. I don't feel any sympathy for the LibsofTikTok account owner, for example, who hate-tweets about 'drag queen story hour' type events knowing full well that those she tweets about are likely to be crashed by Proud Boys.

Quite frankly all this stuff is so far beyond petty to me these days I mostly just avoid it. Undoubtably travisbrown has been right a few times. Point is, I disagree with the premise entirely. As a society, we must tolerate some ugly hurtful trolls if it means we don’t harass the livelihood out of normal people with diverse points of view. Ethically for me it’s better to let a bothersome troll go unpunished than to unduly cancel genuine/harmless humans. If the Proud Boys are harassing drag events I’m sure there’s a way to deal with that involving law enforcement and civil court.

I fully get your point about harmless people that find themselves embroiled in manufactured controversy over a personal or carelessly phrased opinion. However, I don't think you have much/any experience dealing with aggressive people in the real world. Some of them are quite violent, and often have tacit or overt support from police.

The phrase "he doesn't like" is doing a lot of work in this whole thread isn't it? Makes it sound like Travis is scraping other people's data for not having the same favourite colour that he does. However, the people presented as examples in the README are nazis, scammers, homophobes and transphobes. It's an interesting way of minimising calls for genocide.

… according to him (and you can’t ignore those examples are hand picked to support his agenda). Personally I’m tired of social vigilantism. Let the law punish these people if they’re really what he calls them. If they’re not harming you don’t go looking for trouble.

> Let the law punish these people One of the people he picked as an example is the law. He's a white supremacist cop from Illinois: https://accollective.noblogs.org/post/2022/04/01/magic-dirt-.... So what you're asking for can't and won't happen. "Some of those that work forces are the same that burn crosses."

Undoubtably, at high volume, he’s bound to get a few right. Still, I don't agree with the extrajudicial process, full stop. I’d rather have a few shit-stain racist internet trolls um trolling than decent people constantly under fire for dissenting viewpoints.

I'm betting the kind of genocide he likes escapes condemnation though.

Or is he also naming and shaming people who call for mass immigration to Europe, those demanding citizenship for illegal aliens in the US, advocates for 'asylum seekers' in Australian detention, etc?

Do you know what genocide means?

OMG, not a leftist!

So basically a database to help you doxx people you have issues with.

Yep, that’s travisbrown in a nutshell for ya.

Doxx or hold people accountable for what they say online?

If someone says something of their own free will then puts it in "writing" on the internet of their own free will should they not be accountable for things they say and did of their own free will?

Personally I suspect this might be a useful tool for teaching budding new internet users that they're not anonymous when they hit "send". But like any tool that ever existed, the potential for abuse is definitely there.

I wonder if people who express this sentiment will still be doing so when the pendulum swings so far the other way. Will you also be grateful for a massive register that exposes everyone who ever espoused views in favour of LGBT, multiculturalism, etc in a society that condemns and even prohibits such views?

Perhaps there's some Middle Eastern theocracy where this scenario exists already. Are you glad that Saudi Arabian trans activists will forever have a target on their backs?

This project beautifully highlights the problem with "web3"/"dweb"/decentralized social media projects.

What people want is not permanence or anti-censorship.

They want to feel safe in an increasingly scary world. I don't want psychos tracking me down and trying to ruin my life because I have a different opinion than them. I just want to have fun with my friends and be left alone.

> What people want is not permanence or anti-censorship.

I agree about uncontrollable permanance, however i think in general people want anti-censorship.

It's just that controllable permanence and censorship blocking comes with trade-offs. And most people aren't fully aware of those trade-offs until it's too late.

More thinking should be done in terms of UX.

Ah good. We can retroactively destroy people's lives as the overton window shifts. What a splendid project.

The Overton Window is a little tired, but it also doesn't apply in the way you're implying: the reactionary accounts linked appear to have become uniformly more reactionary over time. Meanwhile, the course of action (recording everything they say) hasn't changed much.

Weird and way creepy

The perfect cancel culture tool.

Yeah, Travis seems to have been on a crusade against his detractors for a while now. See also https://github.com/travisbrown/cancel-culture

Truly amazing.

Written by someone who got fired from Twitter for spending way too much time making a political mess of the Scala community. Some people just can’t separate politics from literally everything else so they spend their best years and free time writing tools to cancel and harass people they don’t like and insist other communities act they way they want. Pretty sad, really.

For the record I wasn't fired by Twitter. Not sure where you're getting your information from, but it's not very connected to reality.

https://meta.plasm.us/posts/2015/10/13/goodbye-twitter/

I remember reading this the day you posted it. I honestly really looked up to you as a Scala community member and open source evangelist. I even attended the talk you hosted at Twitter on using Kleisli arrows for HTTP request composition and processing. I have no issue with your political beliefs but as I stated think it’s quite disappointing to see people invest so much energy into destructive social vigilantism.

This seems... problematic

Its not problematic that it exists... its problematic that its possible.

and so easily possible.

The response to @libsoftiktok has created a huge, rapid streisanding of that account. She went from niche to ubiquitous almost overnight and her message has been hugely amplified. There has to be a better reaction than to hand your enemy such a megaphone.

Looks like the privacy alarmists were right all along.

I'm not sure this counts as privacy, it's all data published publicly by the people themselves.

It does, at least according to several courts. This particular aspect of privacy is famously known as "The right to be forgotten."

More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_be_forgotten

> The right to be forgotten is distinct from the right to privacy. The right to privacy constitutes information that is not publicly known, whereas the right to be forgotten involves removing information that was publicly known at a certain time and not allowing third parties to access the information.

Alright. We apologise for incorrectly classifying our concerns. I'm sure that this error justifies the continued violation of our rights.

Seems like people here are really against OSINT.

travis brown, the functional clown

You know this is what Stalin, and North Korea's Kim-Jong Un today would have dreamed of using? Probably will aid in collective punishment or 3 generations of punishment.

A tool like this is a noble totalitarians dream which anyone they didn't like can be brought into the light with absolute zero privacy, no path to redemption of past sins, mistakes or accidents and the internet will preserve and shame them forever.

The same developers like this one screaming and have hijacked 'open-source' are just helping the surveillance capitalists and dystopian new world order.

One supposes that Stalin dreamt of sufficient firepower and prisons, not Twitter APIs.

Snitching as a Service.

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