Rolling your own crypto: Everything you need to build AES from scratch
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And also good that they mention right from the start that you shouldn't use your (or their) self-made cryptography in production (although they could have emphasized it a bit more).
Absolutely, and that was the very first thing I thought when I saw the title. For some reason I've got the "don't roll your own crypto" commandment heavily ingrained into my brain (even though I've never been in any context where I might have tried), together with "don't let the frying pan handle stick out over the edge of the cooker in case a kid grabs it" (even though I have no kids, nor nephews etc), as well as trigger discipline and "every gun is loaded" (even though I've never touched a gun in my life and have never lived in the USA).
None of this is something that hobby cryptographers can't do. In fact, there is no real difference between "professional" and hobby cryptographers. Many of the professional ones started as hobby cryptographers, and there are plenty of allegedly professional "cryptographers" who do not have sufficient experience in cryptanalysis. Moreover, anybody can make a fairly secure Feistel cipher, for example, it's just hard to create an efficient one. Note that proofs of security either don't exist or are based on unreasonable assumptions. Cryptography is still mostly a black art, not a science.
In a nutshell, you really shouldn't reinforce the "don't roll your own crypto" mantra. It just means you'll get less skilled cryptographers in the end. Bear in mind that nearly all debacles in cryptography were caused by professional cryptographers.
I thought this was pretty obvious but I guess this important context was not sufficiently disseminated given the prevalence of the latter position.
I did some deep dive into AES and RSA at some point in a distant past, it was a learning experience that to this day allows me to make much better decisions when choosing algorithms.
No. If you want to "learn from it", the first thing you should do is buy a copy of Bruce Schneier's Applied Cryptography.
Just reading (and fully understanding !) that book will alone put you in a position where you already know more about cryptography than 90% of other people.
If after that you still want to play around with rolling your own crypto, then fine, go for it. But be aware you are very much making your own bed and should be prepared to lie in the inevitable mucky consequences.
For the rest of us, frankly, no matter what your choice of programming language is, there will be at least one if not many more well respected long-established crypto libraries. Most people should just do themselves a favour and just use those libraries.
As the saying goes ... crypto is hard. A tiny, easily overlooked, mistake in your crypto code can have major consequences.
I honestly think, as a community, we’re being far too dogmatic about our advice here, and we should recognise that there is value in learning things by example, and that more people having a better understanding of crypto is generally a Good Thing.
Using it in production, of course, is an entirely different matter, but that’s not what I’m contesting.
The way where people think they learn cryptography by making their own implementation is, indeed, wrong. Cryptography is about ensuring specific requirements in the face of active adversaries.
Self-implemented crypto misses many well-known caveats, causing them to be easily breakable. As such, it is not reasonable to consider them as something that aims learn about ensuring security properties in the face of active adversaries... but then that effort is not actually teaching about crypto, which is exactly that.
This is also the reason that the established wisdom for learning cryptography is to learn to break systems first. Almost everyone can make a cryptographic system they cannot break. For most folks, that means little. For those skilled at breaking crypto, that carries weight.
It's akin to saying, "you're not allowed to build your own smoke detector because it will be unsafe!". Of course I know that, I want to understand the differences between a photoelectric and ionization smoke detector, how they work in practice, because reading some PDF schematics just doesn't cut it for me.
I honestly don't understand the line of reasoning of all this crypto gatekeeping.
Fun fact: while I was doing my crypto deep dive in 2015, my language of choice being Haskell, I found issues in several libraries, specifically around entropy, and even one library with modulo bias [1]. They were acknowledged and addressed. It was a super fun learning exercise, and seeing all these comments how it's supposedly almost illegal to do this misses the point of people exploring and learning in their own ways.
https://github.com/vincenthz/hs-crypto-numbers/commit/bceb54...
This is exactly what the other people in this thread mean when they say "learn by breaking other crypto", assuming you didn't write those libraries.
It’s all about intent: my intent is understanding “how does this work?”, “how do I do this the right way?”, not breaking, and that’s how I found these things.
I don’t care about breaking stuff, it’s just not appealing to me. My whole frustration with this discussion is that for some reason, my intentions are not the True Way of the Crypto Experts, and then I’m not allowed to proceed.
It’s such utter nonsense, and this whole discussion made me realise the situation is actually worse than I thought. If these commenters here are representative of the wider crypto community, they’re really a bunch of elitist gatekeepers that cannot understand the difference between being the NSA and a mere mortal trying to learn things in their own way.
On a related note, Beldin here just contributed a new entry into cryptopals: the Gatekeeper hash, but only certain people can see the link.
Just about worst thing these absurd rules achieve is that effectively only rule breakers are allowed in.
No, its not absurd.
Sure, I agree, for many things in life you can "learn by doing".
But this is cryptography.
There is no escaping that cryptography IS mathematics and an algorithm built on top of that mathematics.
Unfortunately the only way to learn the theory is by reading and understanding books or academic papers.
Otherwise you are just taking shortcuts based on a summary that someone else has written for you on a short blog or forum post. Which, aside from the fact that you are skipping the detail and hence not really learning, also brings us into the region of trust...
If you have no interest in learning the dry theory behind the cryptography, then you have no business rolling your own crypto. Because if you are not willing to understand the theory then you are going to make serious mistakes.
As someone who wholeheartedly buys into the “thou shalt not roll thine own crypto” mantra, this attitude is just sad. Everyone who wants to has all the business rolling their own crypto for learning purposes, and you have no business telling them they shouldn’t. Stifling this sort of exploration is fundamentally wrong.
First thing this mantra does is that we collectively know less a out crypto and security. Second thing it does is that it selects stick-in-ass rule followers away which is exactly contraproductive. And third, it makes us stuck with crappy convoluted code crypto libs had twenty years ago, cause supply of people capable to improve it is not build up.
I see the same problems in internet debates about which programming language to learn first or how to learn programming in general, and a lot of it just doesn’t take into account that learning is a long journey and staying on the path is often more important than taking the fastest or cleanest path. If trying to roll your own stuff is more engaging, great!
I'm very confused. OP was suggesting to roll your own crypto as a learning exercise. What possible consequences could there be? Let alone "murky" ones?
Will your RSA implementation summon an eldritch monster or something?
It isn't enough to say "you'll never get it right for production, please use a framework or library for production". You simply don't want them to even experiment on their own.
I agree with saying "the most effective way to learn cryptography is through books and tools X, Y, Z". But one would imagine that writing a poor hashing algo would open up a door to alternate dimensions by how superstitious some are about it on this site.
The purpose of this is to learn how AES works, not to write a library you would actually use.
It's essentially a waste of your time. Because of Schneier's Law: "Any person can invent a security system so clever that she or he can't think of how to break it".
The thing that you might learn from, if you put the work in, would be breaking other people's stuff. Ideally you would find something that's actually in use and vulnerable enough that with some time you'll be able to break it, but that's tricky.
So, if you're a programmer try something like "Cryptopals": https://cryptopals.com/
I think Thomas Ptacek is wrong about a bunch of stuff when it comes to security (there's presumably some way to find HN back-and-forth between us if you decide you care about that), but he wasn't wrong about the Cryptopals exercises. By the time you're doing Set 2 exercises this is stuff real people, who were getting paid and thought they knew what they were doing, got wrong.
That's where i've learnt most of my crypto, although it might be more focussed on the breaking than the making part.
Strongly disagree. I'm pretty sure rolling your own crypto will strengthen your understanding of crypto (and potential flaws) a lot. Obviously don't use it in production but by all means, do it for the sake of learning. How can this be a waste of time? That's like saying "never implement a search/sort algorithm, just use libraries"...yeah sure use libraries but also implement the stuff to learn.
RSA is really good example of this: you can "implement" RSA in Python in an hour, and your understanding will include some of the mathematical fundamentals (prime generation, modular exponentiation, &c.). What it won't include is why or how each of those fundamentals comes with a laundry list of caveats that can completely break any scheme that uses your particular implementation of RSA.
I second the recommendation for cryptopals, as well as all of the resources that Matt Green lists[1].
[1]: https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/useful-cryptography...
RSA is a particularly easy punching bag in this regard, but I think it's true generally (and is generally becoming more true, as we see increasingly clever sidechannels and oracles).
Edit: That being said, I want to moderate my position by saying that I don't think there's anything wrong with playing around with cryptosystems in an attempt to learn them. I do it! I think the risk that people talk about when they say "DRYAC" is that engineers will take their relatively painless experience getting it 10% right in their spare time and think they can get it 100% right without an asymmetric amount of additional effort.
Someone has to write those libraries.
Now, use what you learned (from breaking stuff) to make something which resists the attacks you learned. Congratulations, you have improved the state of the art. This is how actual experts (not sure any of them are or should be "exalted") did it.
† Bad, but, in many cases, very real. Because people stubbornly will not learn this lesson and keep rolling their own we are still finding broken garbage in the real world it's just becoming gradually rarer.
Or even if you just want to understand how an algorithm works, implementing it yourself will probably help you understand it more than reading, or finding problems in someone else's implementation.
What you probably shouldn't do is try to come up with your own encryption scheme/mode of operation/padding scheme and think you've learned something valuable. By all means, try that as well, but know that you've now entered the really dangerous territory.
The real issue is that cryptography is an adversarial field. The human / systems / software aspects are the hard parts. The crypto you wrote yourself doesn't fail because you got the crypto wrong but because your adversary cheats. (I eventually lost interest in cryptography due to the adversarial nature.)
You can screw up all sorts of things - which may (depending on the situation, application, etc) also end up with data at risk (assuming that there is even such a requirement in the first place). That also doesn't mean people shouldn't implement crypto, otherwise they shouldn't implement anything that touches any data at all - after all someone might use the most secure library in the world and accidentally forget to check for user authentication (or whatever else that has nothing to do with crypto itself but still check for privileged data access) in a specific way and let the data leak out.
And honestly i'm personally vehemently against this elitism-preserving "this is for us enlightened few to dabble with, not you plebeian hands" attitude towards crypto that some people have as if it is some forbidden knowledge that only a few high priests can have.
Don’t drive. You inevitably will kill some pedestrian. Use Uber and let professionals do it.
I don’t think that’s a healthy attitude. And exposing data because of misconfigured firewall (ahem, DOCKER-USER, ahem) is like 1000x more probable than someone hacking your cryptoschemes.
There must be freedom in software engineering. Even at cost of some grave mistakes.
It's ironic you say this because I find Uber/taxi drivers to be noticeably more dangerous than average drivers.
May be true, but not exactly a great message.
It's more along the lines of, "you absolutely can understand this if you try, buy trying will take years of your life to learn and apply all attack vectors and their mitigations."
The admonition not to roll your own crypto isn't so that people don't look at crypto. Take a look, fiddle, and hack all you want - just not in production. The saying comes from crypto people noticing avoidable security issues that get created many times people have touched or used crypto code - because even 100% correct crypto code is often also broken in practice.
In general, I think DRYAC is excellent advice, and that we should apply similar reasoning to unsafe programming languages. And that is not to say that people shouldn't use them; only that we, as a community, should be making ourselves more half-ass-resistant.
Granted, this is a bad idea when it comes to nuclear engineering. But it's sad when we say it's bad for software engineering, even crypto.
The fact that you want to apply that to C programming is really sad. That's effectively saying that people can play with web apps, but not operating systems.
I am not saying you are wrong. Just that you're no fun at all.
There are at least two separate things are stake here: there's professional software engineering, and then there's hobbyist programming.
Software engineering has been undergoing professionalization (in terms of processes and safety standards) for the last 70 years. It's one of the few ways in which software really is an engineering practice: our standards are written in blood (or fraud), just like every other engineering discipline. In this context, DRYAC and "don't write it in C" are excellent principles: we've successfully professionalized and compartmentalized beyond the need for the bad old ways, except in limited cases (corresponding to domain expertise or specific, legacy requirements).
Then there's hobbyist programming, where you can do whatever you please. I write C for fun. I implement hilariously outdated block ciphers for fun[1]. I couldn't write a web app if my life depended on it. The key understanding with hobbyist programming is that it's (1) adequately disclaimed as not usable in professional contexts, or (2) adheres to the same standards as professional, potentially critical, software engineering.
Open source started as case (1) above, and is slowly turning towards case (2) where it matters. And where it matters is cryptography and, increasingly, memory unsafe code.
In other words: you're more than welcome to build a model train set (I do it), but it doesn't qualify either of us to run a railroad. What qualifies us is learning and performing everything else involved in the safe and normal operation of a modern railroad, including knowing not to build steam engines anymore.
The standards are either the outcome of competitions the US government (through NIST) has held over the years, or they're de-facto standards because they're provably better for certain use cases than other algorithms.
Do roll your own crypto if you have nation state actors as potential attackers. Make life hard for them.
:)
The author might be surprised at how often someone's random "learn 2 crypto" ends up in use in production. Kudos for the warnings, though I doubt that actually accomplish much: People copying and pasting code usually have tremendous tunnel vision.
See https://cr.yp.to/antiforgery/cachetiming-20050414.pdf
Here's an implementation that doesn't use tables: https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/sys/crypto/aes.c
A constant time implementation has to avoid tables & compute the values directly (and slowly) or take special care to ensure that all of the table is hit/cached on each access.
For example, by using an oblivious read: Access each row, AND it with a mask that is either all 1s or all 0s depending on if its the row you want (which you must set without branching) and OR all the results together.
Very slow.
If you are going to dabble in cryptography it might be wise to approach it via the theory, work in the domain symbolically, and generate code that provably "works as designed" so that you can focus on attacks on the design in a symbolic domain.
You then have a secure element in a security eco-system ... which leaves the issue of wether the end-points of that element are insecure or indeed whether the entire security locale can be avoided [pi]
[-1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magma_(computer_algebra_system...
[pi] insert picture of padlocked gate with no fence in otherwise open field.
The article and code is more about understanding the math, which is great and fundamental, but it is not really about the implementation side of things.
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/docs/intrinsics-guid...
https://developer.arm.com/documentation/ddi0596/2020-12/SIMD...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vancouver_Stock_Exchange#Round...
The bug caused the index to creep up to twice the real index.
https://github.com/DavidBuchanan314/aes-playground/blob/mast...
(I left comments quoting the spec as much as possible, so it should be possible to map it back onto the spec, for anyone interested)
Constructions such as AES-CMAC, but also recent ones such as AEGIS only require the AES round function.
I'd be interested in doing the same with some post-quantum ciphers, especially since two of them have been officially adopted by the NIST.
From a binary trust perspective, this is maybe a good way of ensuring that you're running the code you really think you are - but really you just kick the can down the road. You didn't build the hardware, and thus you don't know it's doing with your data once the instructions start executing. Is it storing them off to a side-buffer? Is the CPU detecting AES-like behaviour and triggering some surreptitious path? Who knows. This is where projects like precursor (https://player.vimeo.com/video/677854277?h=8ad58eece9) are really interesting. To be really, super sure that your code is running as expected, you have to build the world from the ground up.
I'm stealing that!
Then I gave up and implemented OCB(3) mode. And I was happy to see that it is now free for all. The parents are lapsed.
Also, "Software AES bad"