Randomizing unconditional cash transfer amounts in the US
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”The data are most consistent with the notion that receiving some but not enough money made participants’ needs---and the gap between their resources and needs---more salient, which in turn generated feelings of distress.”
People can't handle important expenses without savings. So they turn to bad solutions like credit card debt which is really expensive long term or defaulting on loans which makes future credit harder, stuff like that harms long-term financial health.
(also because the way things are going we will have people retiring who can't afford it and no fucking way am I paying for it)
[0] https://www.cbs19news.com/story/34248451/6-in-10-americans-d...
If you give that same amount to someone in poverty, at best they pay down some debts but it doesn't significantly change anything. They are typically in a financial hole and that doesnt fill the whole but might reduce the depth a little.
You cannot do financial planning or anything. Maybe you can get some new clothes or few other necessities but it cannot change the course of your life. You might get better return if you just go to a casino and bet it all on red.
I don’t understand why the researchers thought that this was unexpected result.
Now if they had offered 2k per month for life to these impoverished individuals, then this is where I anticipate to see a step change in their quality of life .
Simply invest the 5K and take out regular installments whose size is calculated based on your expected lifespan. Or buy an annuity.
I frequently do that when presented with a lump sum of money - although few others seem to.
I don’t think $16 a month is going to change their lives any more than buying necessities they need now with the $5k, but I guess we’d need another study for that :)
Since you’re not going to live forever, you could draw a bit faster—-but transaction costs are also going to eat into that too.
5k for 20 years with average 6% annual return on investments and 3% annual withdrawals (~$200 per year or less than $20 per month).
With 0% inflation over 20 years, this will yield you $9000 (in 2042 dollars).
The inflation this year is above 5%, and if this trend continues for long, your investment will pretty much evaporate slowly.
"These findings stand in stark contrast to the (incentivized) predictions of both experts and a nationally representative sample of laypeople, who - depending on the treatment group, outcome, and time period - estimated treatment effect sizes of +0.16 to +0.65 SDs."
The surprise is that on most subjective well-being metrics, the groups receiving some windfall cash reported significantly worse after getting some extra cash than the control group (equally poor, receiving nothing.)
[1] https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_...
"These findings stand in stark contrast to the (incentivized) predictions of both experts and a nationally representative sample of laypeople, who - depending on the treatment group, outcome, and time period - estimated treatment effect sizes of +0.16 to +0.65 SDs."
and (2) why they seemingly do have an effect in less developed countries:
"UCTs generally (though not exclusively) have a good record of improving outcomes for recipients in low-income countries (Baird et al., 2014; Bastagli et al., 2019; Dwyer, Stewart and Zhao, Forthcoming; Manley, Alderman and Gentilini, 2022; McGuire, Kaiser and Bach-Mortensen, 2022). For instance, they have been found to raise recipients’ consumption, improve children’s health, and reduce intimate partner violence."
Everyone wants to get free money. That doesn't mean that a small one time payment will actually make a substantial difference in the long run.
Do these lesser developed countries have Medicaid, food and housing assistance, and high household debts? If I had to guess, the money went towards very different things, and the situations really aren't comparable. In fact, I suspect that the ease with which Americans can get into debt- hospitals charging after service is provided, credit cards, etc- may be the most significant factor.
Also of note, the $500 payments are less than the extra additional unemployment payments made during COVID, and if you have kids the $2k were less than the stimulus checks.
→ a new Harvard study found giving low-income Americans cash isn’t that helpful. Researchers gave 5,000 US participants $2000, $500, or nothing. “Within 4 weeks, we see no significant difference in bank balances between either cash & control groups,” wrote one of the study authors. And: “We find NO positive effect of cash—if anything, in some prespecified analyses, we even see negative effects.” Apparently the cash infusions added stress to people’s lives, which makes sense (likely family and friends came knocking).
>Indeed, after the study concluded, we conducted qualitative interviews with 15 participants, where—among other things—we asked them how much money they would have needed to receive for it to have made a difference in their lives at that time. About half of participants indicated that they would have needed to receive more than $2,000, with those responses falling between $4,000 and $25,000. Although this is by no means a representative sample or ideal methodology, these responses may at least be indicative of the general order of magnitude needed.
How surprising is it that someone who is living at the poverty level or under it when given a "small" amount of money (no matter if 500 or 2,000) after one month has spent it?
If they'd given those randomized amounts monthly for a year or 5 years, I would bet the results would be in line with similar studies which show marked benefits.
(a few descriptions[1][2][3] of Universal Basic Income seem to define it as including recurring/periodic payments)
[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_basic_income
[2] - https://basicincome.stanford.edu/uploads/Umbrella%20Review%2...
>This article is about the system of unconditional income provided to every citizen. For the means-based model of social welfare, see Guaranteed minimum income.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guaranteed_minimum_income
also sometimes called "basic income" (without the "Universal")
which is more pertinent and actually the one on which some (mostly failed) experiments have been done or are being made.
Funniest because it proves the complete ignorance of those without poor problems.
Of course there is no more money in the bank. There are dozens of things more important than money in the bank.. the brakes that should of been replaced 8 months ago. The tires that are unsafe. Dental health. Many more.
'We find NO positive effect of cash—if anything, in some prespecified analyses, we even see negative effects.” Apparently the cash infusions added stress'
Of course - it's stressful trying to choose - do you spend the 500 on your kid's teeth or do you get your teeth worked on? Do you spend 500 at the vet or buy healthier food for the family this week. Do you replace your brakes or the tires? Do you fix the brakes or go to the dentists? Do you feed your kids better or stop the parasites sickening the pets. Do you X or Y? Should you Y or Z?
Yes those things are stressful, and certainly more stressful than 'I can't afford any of these things and that's the way it is so stop stressing it' - I'd like to say "Duh!" - but I don't think the high brow harvard study would really get it.
Although I disagree with 'found giving low-income Americans cash isn’t that helpful' - I mean it's stressful - but at least it is helpful in fixing on or two of the life changing things that need fixing - so it is helpful. It's just when you have a dozen life altering debts accruing life changing interest already (deferred maintenance leading towards bigger problems) - a couple grand does not fix all the things that need fixing in the American life.
Maybe there is some other place in the world where you can get all of your healthcare, vehicle maintenance and other necessities all taken care of for $2,000 (?) - maybe those folks could put some money in the bank.
“ All participants had previously applied to the organization for COVID-19 relief funds (and thus, presumably needed money). The ways in which people learned about and came to apply to the non-profit varied, with some being referred by municipal agencies (e.g., housing authorities) or social service agencies, and others conducting internet searches. About 43% of our participants (2,237 people) received funds from the non-profit before the trial began. The overwhelming majority (99%) of these participants received $500, with a median of 243 days between a participant’s pre-trial payment and the start of the trial. Less than 1% (45 participants) received a payment in under four months of when they began the trial.”
Like their cancer treatment. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/cost-cancer-drugs...
Poverty isn't caused by short term money issues, the kind that $2k can solve, anyway.
Having to deal with invasive, faceless bureaucracy every month to receive a meager income is incredibly stressful, and not only to disabled and elderly people. Prolonger survival stress is extremely detrimental to mental and physical health, and a guaranteed UBI would completely remove it from existence.
The state would benefit from not having to employ literally thousands of bureaucrats… which is likely the reason UBI will never happen at scale, as it would put too many people out of a comfortable position of power.
Also, fraudulent claims would no longer be a thing, since everyone would get the same benefits, likely in relation to their other income. If someone was capable of finding a way to hide their income, they are probably already committing such fraud in the current system.
It’s amazing people here saw what happened during covid payments and raid, waste, and abuse and think that they want more of that.
Maybe if you weren’t so concerned with ”outsiders” getting a piece of your welfare, you could actually have a functional society.
Unless, of course, people want to hide their money from the government. Why would they need to be able to do that?