Welp, my car is now effectively bug free. It shipped with 2G, got a free upgrade to 3G, because 2G was being shut down. It has an optional upgrade to LTE but the features don't justify the cost and the mounting is derpy (new modem is a different shape, so it's velcro + double sided tape)

Or if you are making a phone call or transferring data over the internet. They might not be bugging just any guy but they track everything they can.

I wonder how those telemetry systems work for EU customers. Cause that sounds pretty much illegal under GDPR (non-consented tracking, data stored overseas...)

> "Private companies are so much scarier than the NSA"

We are in the long swing where people think only state tyrany matters. They forgot how bad private tyrany can get, of robber barons were.

And this is exactly why I have a manufactured in 2016 Subaru. I saw this regulation going into effect, investigated what vehicle would last the longest, and purchased the last available non-snitch personal vehicle generation.

We're in the initial stages of a new dark age for humanity. Surveillance Capitalism and our generalized Adult Immaturity is going to swallow the free world, and it may be hundreds of years before actual human maturity develops to allow whatever comes after.

I wonder what percentage of people are aware that their car is tracking them at all times. Surveillance capitalism is scary.

> Private companies are so much scarier than the NSA when it comes to privacy -- you have none -- your life's data is to be mined, brokered, and sold to the highest bidder.

Intel agencies privatize their spying to get around warrants. Private companies spying on you are not a far step from the NSA spying on you directly.

> The NSA only cares about you if you are talking to a small number of known hostile foreign people who are already a party to a FISA warrant.

Hah. If you have any political aspiration at all, you are a potential target. FBI lied to attain FISA warrants, and the lawyer responsible got a slap on the wrist. DC juries will never convict one of their own, there is zero accountability at this point.

> The NSA only cares about you if you are talking to a small number of known hostile foreign people who are already a party to a FISA warrant.

Why are you so confident about who the NSA cares about?

COINTELPRO anyone?

If your car has a networked computer it’s probably bugged/backdoored imo.

(Talking out of my ass)

You make it sound like the NSA can never fail. If it's monitoring you then you are likely doing something deserving of monitoring. They can be wrong though and you'll still have been spied on and information collected for future use. Consider a career in politics, perhaps?

And yet they engage in mass surveillance, even of their own citizens.

> unless you're smuggling nuclear secrets

unless you're suspected of smuggling nuclear secrets

ftfy

For several months, keyless entry stopped working on my car. It fixed itself. My unlikely conspiracy theory is I was being tracked and interference kept the keyfob from working.

depends what's embedded in your cat videos.

If this is America, it would be the FBI who has jurisdiction. If this was outside America, CIA would be more likely to be installing hardware on a vehicle. If you hear the guys breathing on your phone line, that's probably the NSA ;)

Imagine if they got some in at an F&I company and convinced car dealers to install the surveillance without the installers even being aware of it