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Are you interested in learning a potentially new and more efficient way of doing things? Then you have to stop being annoyed that your habitual way of doing things is unavailable to you, and stop assuming your habits are the obvious and correct way.

The modal nature of Vim is one of it's key features and makes a lot of sense. If you consider the keyboard the primary, if not singular, means of interaction, then there will be times you want to use the keyboard to type text and times you want to use the keyboard to control the editor behavior. In a "normal" editor, you have to use modifier keys to enter commands. In Vim, you do it by changing modes. It's actually quite powerful but you can't get past your own assumptions about efficiency.

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>...more efficient way of doing things?

Is that a fact, or you just parroted other people who made similar claim?

for me it is a fact.

I still use the mouse from time to time when editing text mind you. But for most actions, I would not think of moving my hand to the mouse, because it is slow.

Even before vim, I made gratuitous use of end of line navigation via keyboard (home/end buttons; cmd+arrow keys). vim is just a more powerful version of those buttons.

I make no claim that vim is the MOST efficient platform ever created, but it's a lot faster than mouse+keyboard and/or out of the box editing methods.

I would like to leave this link to SO page on mouse vs keyboard... You may be faster with a keyboard, but may ONLY feel faster with the keyboard.

https://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/30682/are-there-any-r...

The link feels irrelevant, because it is not related to vim and text editing. Or does it?

It is a fact. The grand parent is talking about slowly navigating around one character at a time. Vim has much more efficient ways to move the cursor to where you want to go.

For me it is not a fact, and I find vim objectively much more harder to use than “regular” editors. But it matches my thinking in a way that I don’t have to plan ahead how many times to press an arrow, or to wait until a key repeat rate gets the cursor where I want it to be. Acquired vim reflexes erase the complexity and leave this benefit.

I always found this “faster” claim somewhat stretched and zealous. I don’t need to type fast. I need the editing routine to gtfo of my mind when I’m programming.

I find it quite a bit faster to type ci] or ci) to replace everything inside a pair of [] or () than selecting the same text through other means. There are similar shortcuts for working at the word, block or "rest of the file" levels and it's all consistent across replacing, deleting and copying actions.

> I don’t have to plan ahead how many times to press an arrow

Usually, I'll just do something, e.g., hit dd to delete a line and then even though I could hit "3." to delete three more lines, I'd usually just repeatedly tap . to repeat that dd action. It doesn't really matter if the action is deleting a line or commenting/uncommenting it or changing capitalization or modifying a word in a certain way. The general strategy of doing the action you want and then repeating with . it is very useful.

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