I remember a DC issue where they had two physically separate ISP attachments from different sides of the building. Cable cut takes out ENTIRE DC.
Why? While the ISPs were different, at one (farther upstream) point they were both leasing fiber that ran through a single conduit -- so you need understanding of the physical structure of the network, not just "different ISPs".
Interac the main electronic money transfer system used Rogers as their primary network. Guess what they used for their backup network? Rogers.
There is also very rampant high level corruption leading to anti competitive behaviour, oligarchy, money laundering and I can go on and on.
Point is Canada is not a good example of networks and failures. It is a good example of incompetence and mediocrity.
What idiots, right? But there is likely a bit more nuance here which this throw-away comment is ignoring, like using cellular/microwave/fibre/copper in a diverse and high-availability way. I don't know all the details of the network, but all of this stuff works pretty well MOST of the time, so I'd assume their core network is pretty well built and Interac has tight agreements that pay them big bucks for outages.
And, don't mistake this for me saying that having 3 national ISPs is good.
>"..." is not a good example of networks and failures.
Actually, it's a pretty rocking example. Right now, we have zero clue why this happened, and complex built to survive SPOF systems have complex interactions and weird failure modes. But those Canadians are all Cletus and don't know how to configure a router, right?
Could this be an incompetent configuration? Sure, and we'll find that out, as this one will likely spark hearings due to the length and impact.
Just wondering if a big AWS outage means that the US is "mediocre", or if a failure should reflect the organization that failed?
Anybody can pay for redundant services in multiple data centers and networks. But almost nobody does. And corruption? Heh, here we just call them "donations".
Change the world? Lol, maybe if you're Bezos or Zuckerberg. The rest of us mostly just stifle under their iron boots. If you don't get shot first.
IMO a country that prioritizes its average citizens over its uber-rich isn't mediocre, it's well-managed. America is a hellscape of greed and corruption.
Guess the grass is always greener, huh?
> in every other way the US is better
> The average citizens in Canada have no upward mobility
> no bright hope for the future.
This also applies to everyone I know in the US, aside from those working in tech =/
It is especially bad in rural areas.
If a journalist confirms and publishes the story, I will donate US $1000 to the charity of your (or your friends) choosing. I’m absolutely serious and will post the receipt here.
You won’t though… because you can’t. Because you made that up out of thin air.
I’ve been to emergency over 20 times in my life (between myself and loved ones). I’ve never waited (or known anyone to wait) “for over a day”. You’re ridiculous.
Come on. If you’re going to lie, at least make the lies believable.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2014/07...
https://stonecenter.gc.cuny.edu/social-mobility-is-twice-as-...
https://www.oecd.org/social/broken-elevator-how-to-promote-s...
Quote from above:
> In comparison with traditional peer countries such as the United States or Great Britain, Canada displays a far less rigid class structure. The odds of moving from poverty to the middle class during an individual’s lifetime are twice as good for a Canadian as they are for an American. The fact that Canadians enjoy Scandinavian levels of equity without having to rely on Scandinavian levels of taxation or social conformity is further testament to the importance of Canada’s education, health care and welfare systems, as well as the country’s commitment to welcoming newcomers
Your healthcare comment is also provable false. Sources:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/08/05/global-healt...
https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2...
Quote from above:
> Key Findings: The top-performing countries overall are Norway, the Netherlands, and Australia. The United States ranks last overall, despite spending far more of its gross domestic product on health care. The U.S. ranks last on access to care, administrative efficiency, equity, and health care outcomes, but second on measures of care process
Your comment:
>[Canada has] no bright hope for the future.
Seriously, what’s your agenda? Why are you spreading obvious lies and toxic nonsense? Sounds like you had a bad experience here and are keen to blame anything but yourself.
Don’t get me wrong, there’s plenty to criticize about Canada but you come across as extremely disingenuous.
I wouldn’t disagree with the idea that opportunities (and even healthcare) are better for the highest earners (most HN users) but the evidence just doesn’t support your claims as general truths. It’s just not true.
“[I] go back their frequently” is another absolute classic.
I’ve had more rigorous and intellectual debates with my 9 year old (and he goes to Canadian elementary school).
Thanks for the laugh.
How is this different then any "big" player having issues? (Think AWS, Big US ISP, large payment provider such as VISA/MC)
I don't think most NEVER thought about network issues ... but rather a calculated risk, as long outages tend to be a rare occurrence. It's honestly cheaper to eat losses on a day like today then to pay for redundancy and availability.
Part of that process is to down all circuits and services from a vendor.
Could vendors be sharing upstream Concentrations that create SPOF. Sure they could. That’s why we contract a single vendor to create truly diverse services.
We see 100x outages and failures from craplications vs network.