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It is irresponsible to do something eccentric if you cannot afford it

It’s irresponsible to do something eccentric when poor people bear the brunt of the consequences because you can afford to lose a billion here and there while people pay for that with their jobs, homes, lives.

Are you saying that poor people would lose their livelihoods due to Tesla and Twitter stock price changes? You might need to reevaluate your definition of poor if so.

Considering the contagion that can occur whever far ranging stock is discovered to be over inflated in price, I think it's arrogant to look at these types of things and discount what downstream effects could occur.

As opposed to keeping it inflated indefinitely so that it will never burst

The fact that an eventuality is likely to occur does not make you righteous for choosing to cause it at a time that’s convenient for you.

Well, are the recent layoffs at both companies completely unrelated to that? How far do the rippling effects of billions "lost" from the rich person economy go? I'm 100% some people who were just scraping by have been hurt by this. If only because there are 10 less good tippers / day at the coffee shop down the street from the twitter offices.

A job is a way to make money.

It is not the responsibility of a corporation to keep you fed or alive.

If you don't like how a job treats you find another one.

This pseudo familial relationship with jobs that Americans seem to have is one of the oddest mental illnesses I've seen.

And the mental illness of worshiping billionaires seems to have spread worldwide. Why else would you leap to defend elon musk's erratic behavior, and carry water for the damage he leaves in his wake?

Musk is a retard, but he's still less retarded than anyone who expects firms and the market to take care of them.

There’s a difference between saying “wow that guy is an irresponsible asshole for intentionally or unintentionally fucking up my job” and expecting the market or your job to take care of you.

I know some drivers will run red lights and stop signs, so I walk and bike accordingly. I’m still in the right to get mad when a driver narrowly misses me because he’s a self involved clown.

>There’s a difference between saying “wow that guy is an irresponsible asshole for intentionally or unintentionally fucking up my job” and expecting the market or your job to take care of you.

There isn't. Have a nice day.

If company owners want credit for creating jobs, that comes with the reciprocal responsibility of it being your fault if those jobs go away.

Jobs are a cost center. Companies don't create them on purpose anymore than having a higher electricity bill.

I have no idea why you would think that is an argument for anything.

https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/10167318121592545...

Because they ask for that credit, and their defenders give them that credit when you criticize them.

Stalinists criticized capitalists, Stalinists killed millions, ergo anyone who criticizes Musk supports genocide.

I keep explaining the connection between my ideas, and you keep repeating that they are unconnected without acknowledging my reasoning. In retrospect, I should have left things back at have a nice day

You keep making strawmen and expect me to fight them, now you're upset I won't. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It’s masterful moves like calling opinions you don’t agree with “strawmen” that make you such a persuasive debater. I’m out gunned and out maneuvered - you win. I was wrong to describe elon musk’s actions as irresponsible.

Governments create rules that force corporations to take care of employees. Maybe not so much in the USA. But that can be improved thru higher taxation and better employment regulations.

we spend over half our waking hours for often over half of our lives spent working — you think it’s a mental illness for a person to consider how all of these hours and expended energy impact their life?

honestly, you think this is a mental illness?

and i think there are many reasonable arguments that huge chunks of the world care far more about their jobs impact on their lives than we (u.s. americans) do.

a mental illness? the way you say everything in your comment, as if that belief is somehow a universal truth is wild.

You've wildly misread what I wrote. Please read the post again.

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