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That’s not how gun buy back programs work. Hint they don’t and never have. It’s the same as what happened to that town that tried to solve their rat problem by paying people to bring rat heads. Some enterprising townsfolk started breeding rats.

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Gun Buybacks were incredibly successful in Australia after the Port Arthur Massacre and now we have f*ck all gun violence. Funny that.

My home country has scrict gun ownership laws. It is almost impossible for a citizen to get a gun and even when he does other rules applies to carrying and loading.

Last time I've checked we had around 60000 gun related deaths every year.

If you were less obscure about which country that was maybe we could probe into why those deaths happen but you weren't so we cant.

It's Brazil, no other country in the world has more than 40,000 firearm deaths per year.

Yeap. News about people getting killed during a robbery even after passively handling out their belongings without resistance are common occurrence.

Criminals still with plenty access to guns after 20 years of strict control regulations are emboldened by the fact that nobody can offer resistance.

It seems obvious that firearms deaths are a multi-cause issue. If you have a highly developed country (Finland, Iceland, Switzerland...) you can also have lots of firearms without fearing also massive killings. But if half your society is born and raised under violence (El Salvador, Venezuela, Honduras...) + easy firearms + raging black markets operating freely, it's a recipe for disaster. I wouldn't expect less deaths in Brazil by getting more guns in the streets and encouraging resistance: Venezuela is already there (more than twice the guns of Brazil, handguns and semiautomatic are more or less allowed, you only need a license), and their death rates are the worst in the world.

> I wouldn't expect less deaths in Brazil by getting more guns in the streets and encouraging resistance

in this sort of situation, i'd rather die resisting than die placid and unable to fight.

Gun violence from criminals can't be solved via gun control.

You're deeply wrong about that. Gun buybacks have worked and do work everywhere that they've been conducted.

It's not a buyback since the government never owned it. It's coerced confiscation.

So if you sell your house, or sell your car, or sell a loaf of bread, is that also coerced confiscation?

If the government says "we're taking your house for %x percent of the value" then yes, it is.

Is extremely disingenuous to suggest that a gun "buyback" is voluntary. You either do it or you're a felon.

You have to ban them _and_ buy them back at the same time. You make them illegal to have, then you compensate people for the economic value of the property they now need to surrender for destruction.

That is in fact how buyback schemes work in countries that aren't totally irrational about guns.

I clearly should have clarified. They don’t work in America where private gun ownership does not look like it’s ever going to get banned.

Also America isn’t land locked like Australia. The black market will have an easier time transporting the goods through South America. If that wasn’t the case, then drugs wouldn’t be as accessible here. And given US is the arms capital of the world (American manufacturers supply a significant amount of the arms used in conflicts), those guns will inevitably find their way back to America (conflict stops, owners need money more than weapons, etc). The bigger the conflict the cheaper the guns become.

Finally, Australia had a national moment of unity when they banned guns and so giving up your guns was a collective activity. That’s not the case in America.

It's quite difficult to breed guns.

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