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I pay 34c/kWh and likely more in the future. No thanks.

You might be in California?

The general rate cases for the next year-and-change are posted. The CPUC rubber stamps them, so we already know that there are upcoming rate hikes of around 16% within the next year.

https://www.pge.com/en_US/about-pge/company-information/regu...

Soon your bill will be linked to how much you make. So if you're in the top half of income earners, then you'll be charged more.

https://www.nrdc.org/experts/merrian-borgeson/cas-energy-tra...

> Soon your bill will be linked to how much you make. So if you're in the top half of income earners, then you'll be charged more.

That's already the case where I'm at (not California). The electric bill often comes with inserts explaining how I could save money if my income is below some threshold. Same goes for my other utility bills.

> Soon your bill will be linked to how much you make. So if you're in the top half of income earners, then you'll be charged more.

What if everything worked like this? Income would have no meaning anymore. If we thought this labor shortage is bad, I can't imagine how we'd get through the one that would cause.

Imagine all the people, sharing all the world...

I'd assume something like: double your income, rates go up by 20%.

That way you are still incentivized to make more money.

I'm getting to the point, at 34 years old, that I think I should sell out and move to a low cost of living place that doesn't penalize me and retire. What happens to an economy if lots of other prime earning years people did the same thing?

Same situation here in the UK.

- 2018: 16.75p/kWh + 5% VAT

- 2021: 20.9p/kWh + 5% VAT

- 2022: 27.99p/kWh + 5% VAT

And there seems to be no end in sight. To add insult to injury my energy supplier also bumped the "Standing charge" from 30.61p/day to 53.45p/day.

There isn't a lot of choice at the moment to try and reduce costs due to the idiotic state of the UK energy market right now.

We can totally expect another 40-50% raise in October.

58c/kWh in CA https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/vpjcz5/what_in...

Wow, where is that?

Germany. I know this because I pay the same.

Same here, it's actually one of the reasons I am looking to move to Canada now.

Our country has been mismanaged in this regard to a point where I don't see this being solved in the next 20 years, also ideologically the majority does think low energy prices are bad now, so don't event want this fixed.

I'm surprised to see market efficiency/management as a reason to move to Canada - usually in such context it's protectionism, milk tokens, etc. being (negatively) discussed.

Is the 'hydro' (as they call it) cheap there? I heard the opposite, but that from a Canadian, so perhaps it's just that it's gone up a lot (as everywhere) and they didn't appreciate their lower starting point.

Edit: oh, very variable between provinces - https://www.energyhub.org/electricity-prices/

Yep, highly variable based on the province. In Quebec it's so cheap that electric heat is common.

But yeah, the corruption is pretty bad here (of course, relatively speaking in the context of first world countries). A few dozen large corporations basically own our government.

Germany's energy market is a huge mess, I read that consumers are heavily subsidising extremely cheap energy for commercial users.

Northern California is not much different. It actually makes most plug in hybrids cheaper to run on gas than electric at around $3.50 a gallon and below.

https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/rate-plans/rate-plan-o...

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