Psilocybin microdosers demonstrate improvements in mood and mental health
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Typical cohen's d effect size of antidepressants is 0.3. If the placebo is 75% of the response, that means a drug placebo has a d value of about 0.9. This study shows a d value of 0.39 for depression, which means it has about half the effect that we would expect to see simply from the placebo effect. So, either it is a very poor placebo, or the active ingredient has a negative effect on depression, or the participants weren't very depressed in the first place, or (more likely) we simply don't have a clue what the effectiveness actually is.
I've only done a handful of large doses, and even my therapist recommended it (and showed me some convincing experimental data). It's not a regular habit for me: maybe once or twice a year. Last year, I did a large amount of shrooms and just sat there and thought about things and ended up untying a really ugly knot of self hatred.
I think it's a good way to internalize therapy
Meanwhile I’ve done some pretty high doses and I don’t enjoy talking about it at all, because I consider it a largely personal experience.
Do you mean in the 1960s, or was there also a time between then and now when drugs weren't cool?
A fun social experience is where cool happens.
"Megadosing" is also a word that can be seen around. Similar to the above, there are chemicals that do one thing at "normal" doses (as defined by companies/doctors), but can have significantly different effects at higher ones.
My treatments with ketamine were done by an anesthesiologist and I told him I felt like we were playing a bit of "fuck around and find out" with this stuff.
I still want psychedelic therapy with psilocybin in a professional setting so I am interested in more datapoints around negative experiences especially from a peer in the same field.
But I was unable to sleep. I stayed awake for 3 days in a row, then I completely lost my mind, I was mixing reality with fantasy. My wife took me to emergency were I was given antipsychotics which broke that state and I was able to sleep.
But for the next weeks I had crying episodes out of nowhere and they gave me a higher AP dosages.
Slowly I was able to stabilize, but it took me months. The AP side effects were also awful.
Did the mushroom trip did this? Probably not, but it trigger the sleep deprivation which chain-reacted to something worse.
I am planning to visit oregon in 2023 so I can receive therapy with psilocybin which hopefully has less negative side effects.
Edit: typo
I did IV infusions which is nice because it can be stopped compared to IM injections, nasal spray or lozenges.
I do not like the numbness from the ketamine. I understand psilocybin is going to be a different experience that may not make me feel as out of control.
There's no hidden knowledge or special secrets you learn about life from psychadelics. It can give you persistent/permanent hallucination disdorders.
In fact I recommend staying away from them and focusing reality-- improving yourself, your community, building something useful/interesting, etc.
If you do choose to waste your time and do psychadelics: Be very careful. Don't overdo it.
No, but in a time of significant grief, psychadelics allowed me to process it in a completely different way. I made more progress in 6 hours than I'd made in 4 years with 2 of those in therapy. There's no deep universal truths to uncover, but depending on your mental health, there may be some deep personal blockages that can be... sidestepped?
I used recreationally a few times as well. Mixed results there, including one that sent me on a tailspin for a few months. Absolutely, use with care, with a good sitter, and mind your set and setting.
However, they can provide a world of good to the psyche as well, I will attest to that, and the changes I made from them might never have occurred otherwise.
There are very different kinds of psychedelics with different effects as well. Blanket statements/policies for all of them should consider that.
I understand what experienced psychonauts mean when they say that, but it is an incredibly useless and condescending thing to say to somebody who went in unprepared and was traumatized by the experience.
Imagine someone was complaining that nobody should ever drive cars because they were injured in a crash after having a go at it without licence nor experience.
Today I have a thirty year marijuana habit that I can’t quit and now it’s being linked to the rise of schizophrenia.
Does anyone else feel the current topic of “MDMA medicine” and “mushrooms are medicine” may in fact be as wrong as “oxycontin isn’t addictive” was in the 90’s?
Also I will share that I have a sibling that suffers from depression. At one point we said okay we are going to try this in a controlled setting with friends. 6 months of happiness. This should be a regulated and available treatment.
But I've never tried mixing it with psilocybin.
The frequency of reports of new “mushroom research”, and the number of “mushroom researches” itself, skyrocketed back in the days of COVID, and began to wander through quite “white” media, rather than youthful e-magazines, similar even in design to a rebellious teenage T-shirt.
As early as the summer of 2021, while monitoring the psychological news aggregators, I noticed that a clear upward trend in our world was becoming the idea of legalizing smth new. Not some stupidly smoking marijuana, no. At 2021 that already was a thing of the past, it’s already happened. Now hallucinogens, aka psychedelics, are taking the legalize movement by storm. One of prominent news at 2021 were as such: “Psilocybin provokes rapid growth of neural connections in the prefrontal cortex, study shows”. “Small doses of psilocybin and ketamine increase motivation and attention in outsider rats, new study shows”. “One of the new fronts in modern psychotherapy is psychedelic drugs”.
Today I revisited one of these aggregators, and found, that the density of “mushrooming media bombs” has increased even more. Here are the headlines from just the last month (!):
May 4, 2022: “Large study concludes that psilocybin is a ‘relatively safe’ drug, and serious reactions to it are rare and short-lived” original publication in Journal of Psychopharmacology.
May 10, 2022: “Cannabis users expect cannabis-assisted therapy for depression to be effective along with psilocybin” original publication - in Cannabis , also a peer-reviewed scientific journal, despite the name.
June 2, 2022: “New research sheds light on the mysterious process by which psilocybin can quickly relieve symptoms of depression” original publication in The New England Journal of Medicine and Nature Medicine.
It’s not hard to understand: if there’s research on a topic, it means there’s money allocated to it.
If a bunch of different universities (specifically regarding these publications - King’s College London, University of Oblani, University of Ontario, etc.) suddenly receive a bunch of money to research the same topic, it means that the topic has sponsors who are interested in publicizing it as widely as possible and involving the maximum number of researchers in it. And lets not forget, that every scientist who writes something about “mushrooms make you smart and relieve you from depression” already becomes somewhat hostage to his reputation and tends to defend the position he has expressed, just to keep his grant.
Of course, one can assume that this is actually bullshit and the result of “selective sampling statistics”. That there are actually a gigantic number of studies on all kinds of topics in the West all the time, and a bunch of journals publish their results every day.
Well, that’s a fair point, but there’s another piece of news that might suggest that my paranoia is not so unfounded. Large quote from publication about a very important event on WEF: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/jun/01/psychedelic...
The appearance of a pavilion about healthy hallucinogens at the World Economic Forum a decade ago was as likely as the appearance of a pavilion about “healthy carnal love for minors” or “racial differences in the quality of intelligence”. Pedophilia and racism are total taboo, and so were drugs. Until recently.
So, with all the above, if something that used to be unthinkable suddenly appears without hiding, it means that the good old bulldozer-based Overton Window has come into motion with a screech.
By the way, weed was also promoted in the first 10 years of the legalize battle as a cure for depression. Now it’s recreational, chopping billions in sales, and in some places it’s already supplanting beer and whiskey.
Most of the crises, horrors and situations in our lives are not “organized,” but are “result of circumstances”. This does not in any way negate the stunning eloquence of the fact that drugs and the WEF have finally merged in physical reality and, more importantly, in the same media reality.
Exercise also improves your mood and mental health.
So saying "it's natural" is bs.
Probably not cows and pigs though. Maybe sobe birds. Maybe monkeys. Raw. Also no significant natural resistance to salmonella.
I'm sure I have exactly as much genetic adaptations to eating psylocybin mushrooms as I have for eating death caps.
Same could be said about death cap mushrooms. Something being natural or even being occasionally ingested doesn't make it any better. Natural, occasionally ingested organisms can kill you on the spot.
Animals though have been seeking out mind altering substances for all we can determine, for as long as there were mind altering substances.
The oldest human religions used and still use mild altering substances, it is Christianity which is weird for shunning them (and most of where the abstinence drive comes from) and it was mostly xenophobia targeted against non Christians.
Psilocybin is often just taken by eating mushrooms, when it isn’t, a little isolation and purification doesn’t make much difference.
I think it's a good thing that these drugs are being studied but I suspect there are risks.
If one is worried about a microdose, then one can choose to start with 1% of a microdose (or whatever minimal amount one can accurately measure) and then move up slowly.
Just like...exercise. Hence the forever present disclaimer: "Consult with your doctor before beginning this or any new exercise routine." One wouldn't start off with an ultramarathon when they could just walk around the block.
If, on the otherhand, you believe that _any_ amount is a risk, then at this stage it's up to you to provide that evidence. This isn't some new and mysterious chemical, it's been taken for millenia, intentionally or not.
The bigger issue is that people just assume that they don't need guidance or preparation. Or they ignore set and setting. Or they believes there's only one right dose or no such thing as a wrong dose. Or they simply don't know the dose because it's in whole mushroom form. And so they just take whatever they're told and then wait to see what happens.
These are where the risk comparison between exercise and psilocybin breaks down, because if you do make a mistake, you cannot abort the process as easily as you can with exercise. Once you've taken it, you're in for the ride.
But that's quite different from "it messes with your brain".
We mess with our Brains all the time; coffee, tea, alcohol, nicotine and different foods.
Not to mention sex!
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Asprin, Paracetamol/Acetaminophen (Tylenol and Panadol) OTC and Prescription (lab produced) Pharmaceuticals
Next up is environmental, social, cultural, and all external sources of brain influence
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I knew a guy who did wingsuiting. An insanely dangerous "sport" where you whip along at 140 miles an hour, a few feet from the side of a mountain.
I said the usual "why would you jump out of a perfectly good airplane?"
He gave me this self-justifying answer about how there are no perfectly good airplanes, and you can get killed in a regular plane crash.
You can rationalize anything if you really want to.
via Fight-or-flight Response : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight-or-flight_response
Such an Adrenalin Rush! - Not to mention all the other self induced Neuroactive chemicals!
"Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community." It's reliably a marker of bad comments and worse threads.
If you wanted to point out specifically what you think is wrong with the study, that of course could make a fine contribution. But just slinging pejoratives only makes things worse, so please don't.
Criticism posted on another comment.
I don't think that's possible here. I'll probably just give up and turn my attention to more fruitful pursuits.