Meal Kit company sued by customers whose gallbladders were removed
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Daily Havrest has offered me a $10 credit towards future orders even though I became very ill from their negligence and have spent thousands of dollars with them in the past on their service.
I left my first bad review on Lyft writing a detailed account similar to above. Lyft messaged me “are you ok we take safety paramount” and the resolution was a scant “we won’t match you with this person again, $5 off your next ride.”
That was honestly worse than no response. I spend hundreds of dollars on rideshares monthly and this was a first.
Buy you a Rolls-Royce and a chauffeur?
I would argue $5 is worth than nothing.
> “They [company] were kind of implicating the customer in not cooking them correctly, but I definitely did because I cook a lot of vegetarian stuff,” says Aarts, who is a vegetarian and allergic to gluten. She says she sautéed the lentils until they started to crisp and even blacken a bit because she knows they need to be cooked thoroughly.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/daily-...
It turns out lentils contain lectins, a class of molecules with some alarming chemical characteristics:
> Lectins are carbohydrate binding (glyco)proteins which are ubiquitous in nature. In plants, they are distributed in various families and hence ingested daily in appreciable amounts by both humans and animals. One of the most nutritionally important features of plant lectins is their ability to survive digestion by the gastrointestinal tract of consumers. This allows the lectins to bind to membrane glycosyl groups of the cells lining the digestive tract. As a result of this interaction a series of harmful local and systemic reactions are triggered placing this class of molecules as antinutritive and/or toxic substances. Locally, they can affect the turnover and loss of gut epithelial cells, damage the luminal membranes of the epithelium, interfere with nutrient digestion and absorption, stimulate shifts in the bacterial flora and modulate the immune state of the digestive tract. Systemically, they can disrupt lipid, carbohydrate and protein metabolism, promote enlargement and/or atrophy of key internal organs and tissues and alter the hormonal and immunological status. At high intakes, lectins can seriously threaten the growth and health of consuming animals. They are also detrimental to numerous insect pests of crop plants although less is presently known about their insecticidal mechanisms of action. This current review surveys the recent knowledge on the antinutritional/toxic effects of plant lectins on higher animals and insects.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15302522/
It appears that lectins are degraded by heat, thus the importance of proper cooking.
[1] https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gallstones/sy...
My understanding was that initially most vets assumed it was the “grain free” thing causing a problem but then it was discovered that the heart issues have only been associated with certain grain free brands. I can’t help but wonder if it’s something to do with both the volume of lentils in the brand recipes and also how the brands are preparing their lentils.
Other ingredients could be eaten raw but they’re either difficult to eat (asparagus) or can cause gastrointestinal upset/gas (broccoli).
I do feed a lot of raw or already prepared foods as well: yogurt, cottage cheese, pumpkin, carrots, applesauce, bananas, peanut butter, blueberries, watermelon, etc. The ingredients all need to balance out for the day to make sure they get the right nutrients and to make sure the fats/protein/carbs are with appropriate ranges so how much dog food cooking I do varies each week. Sometimes it’s more and sometimes it’s less. I’m always cooking at least a meat and pasta/rice though.
Is an interesting way to describe cooking lentils, too. I can imagine sautéing ones that are already cooked. Or you can put them in a pan with water for awhile, but that's gonna be 20-40 minutes, is pan-boiling a term? Not really sautéing.
Confused. What else would you boil them in? (Brit here so maybe there's a language difference at play)
A pan has short, usually curved sides, and is suitable for simmering small amounts of liquid, searing or frying. It will almost always have a single long handle.
Woks are the exception- the look halfway in-between a pot and a pan, though the design is more geared towards the same uses you would use a pan for. Although there are two small handled varieties, the thinness of the metal makes it much less effective at stews and soups because it doesn't hold heat well.
"Saucepans are round, vertical-walled vessels used for simmering or boiling. Saucepans generally have one long handle. Larger pans of similar shape with two ear handles are sometimes called "sauce-pots" or "soup pots" (3–12 litres)." [1]
Rough disambiguation: Frying pan - shallow with single long handle Sauce pan - deeper with single handle Pot - deeper with two loop handles
Pre-cooked lentils typically are canned, and the canning process ostensibly includes enough heat + pressure to denature dangerous lectins. So, consumers aren't used to thinking of pre-cooked lentils as dangerous.
Consumer cooking equipment makes it hard to cook lentils without reaching a boiling temperature that denatures lectins. Think an instant pot, or even a stovetop cooking method. But, browse slow cooking subreddits and you'll see many warnings that beans shouldn't be cooked in a slow cooker without achieving a full boil for some period of time due to lectins.
It seems to me like these dangerous lentils were prepared in a slow-cooking method that never reached a boil. And, any food facility that routinely works with beans or lentils should already know the dangers of lectins. So, it seems that the food production facility wasn't used to cooking with these ingredients.
Lectins are in practically everything that we eat. If it were just lectins, it would be a lot more people than this.
This is likely contamination of some form.
We used to eat raw sprouted lentils fairly regularly in the 70s/80s with no ill effects, so unless sprouting reduces the lectins, I doubt that's what the problem was. EDIT: I just googled for "does sprouting lentils remove lectins" and got all sorts of conflicting information. Some sites say yes, other say no.
FYI, the green sprouts in raw potatoes are toxic too.
According to healthline.com:
"Sprouted potatoes contain higher levels of glycoalkaloids, which can have toxic effects in humans when consumed in excess. Eating sprouted potatoes during pregnancy may also increase the risk of birth defects."
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/sprouted-potato#dangers
Anyway, I found this for chickling peas (aka grass peas and cicerchia ):
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-69083-9_...
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2010/07/why-do-po...
I (and family members) have eaten copious amounts of sprouted moong and moth beans my whole life without cooking them. Just soak them in water for a night, then leave them alone to sprout for another day or two, and then eat them.
1: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/anti-nutrients/...
If the signalling controlling eg the sphincter is messed up, the bile won’t escape to the intestines, and if the bile stops flowing you’ll get liver and pancreatic inflammation.
It might be that some toxin in the food could cause such an effect?
I’m not sure how easy it would be to tell if this was the case in an acute setting though. It isn’t exactly common, and is usually chronic and intermittent. Gall bladder removal would seem to be the wrong treatment in this case, but it might be hard to establish? My amateur medical knowledge is insufficient to know, just hypothesising other potential mechanisms.
Yeah, the fact that this even made it to the legal system says everything.
Gallstones are normally a gooey crystal. It's cholesterol that has "crystallized" slowly over time. It's one of the reasons why they don't have very good drugs to treat gallstones--any drug would have to "ungrow" that crystal which would take just as long.
A lawsuit was filed. That’s it. Just about anyone can file a law suit alleging just about anything. Now Daily Harvest will have the opportunity to get it tossed. That’s how the system works. That’s how the system is supposed to work.
There are several questions here, and the legal system is the right place to unpick them. From the top of my head:
- did DH's lentils cause liver injury?
- is that injury permanent or temporary?
- were gallstones misdiagnosed because of the injury inflicted by DH's lentils?
- was unnecessary surgery performed due to misdiagnosis?
- did the doctors misdiagnosing gallstones/performing unnecessary surgery meet the standard of care?
- did the unnecessary surgery cause permanent/temporary harm?
- was the direct harm (temporary liver injury) caused by DH's lentils reasonably foreseeable?
- was the indirect harm (surgery, surgical complications, lifelong side effects) caused by DH's lentils reasonably foreseeable?
A lawsuit is the right way to get answers to these and determine who, if any is liable for damages and in what amount.If you present to the ER with pain in the upper right abdomen, with blood test results showing raised liver enzymes, meeting some or most of the "fair/fat/female/fertile/forty" risk factor mnemonic criteria, and have imaging that doesn't completely rule out gallstones, then the overwhelming probability is that you're suffering from gallstones, and that's the diagnosis you'll be given.
Since the gold standard treatment for symptomatic gallstones is gallbladder removal, that's likely what will happen. Under normal circumstances, far more aggregate patient harm would be caused by trying to make the diagnosis more certain than is caused to the few patients who undergo surgery but don't actually have gallbladder disease.
Unfortunately, these aren't normal circumstances: it appears that the liver damage produced by this lentil product produces similar pain and blood test results to gallstones, the risk factors for gallstones are very common in the US population, and it's actually quite hard to completely rule out gallstones by imaging. So more patients than expected are currently being harmed with unnecessary surgery.
It's important that this be publicized, so that doctors making these diagnoses know that asking "did you eat anything from Daily Harvest" is now a diagnostically relevant question when considering upper abdomen pain, and the answer may change those prior probabilities drastically.
That said, I do think the underlying point I'm trying to make is still accurate. Most of the audience here are software engineers. Unlike debugging software, where we can often eliminate possibilities with 100% accuracy through objective tests and come to a conclusion with complete confidence, or at least run experiments with no consequences, humans are messy, poorly observable, and heterogeneous. A relevant history helps speed things up when trying to fix software, but it can be vital when fixing humans.
Given the rate of asymptomatic gallstones visible to imaging in the population, if these lentils are causing acute liver injury, I think it's reasonable to expect that some people have had unnecessary surgery as a result. If you knew your patient had eaten these lentils, would you still send to surgery with positive imaging, or wait a few days and see if things improved?
Yet nobody seems to have done so. There are 28,000 jars of it, and only one needs to be found to test. Is it that hard to figure out what in food causes a violent reaction?
I mean, to me 1/500 chance per year sounds like it's right along the lines of "every older person needed to have on their radar as a possibility".
The average person lives to 80, so 1/500/yr means a 16% chance per person of having to undergo that operation.
That definitely seems high enough to be "every person should have it on their radar as something that might happen to them".
Looks like they are testing their own existing samples (from their supply chain or from their stock), which may or may not be contaminated. I will place more trust on FDA's testing at this point, which is done with the kits obtained from those who actually suffered symptoms.
[1] https://www.daily-harvest.com/content/french-lentil-leek-cru...
This story is nuts. I don't know what crazy poo-poo Daily Harvest was selling, but it sure as hell wasn't lentils that caused this problem.
Long story short I freak out and call her doctor, worrying she might be having a stroke or some other weird issue. The doctor can’t help, just says “Schedule an appointment.” So I call my old man who is an immunologist and he’s like “Oh wow, she can’t eat food? Says the water tastes like metal? That’s weird, let me think about this.” Then a minute later he’s like goddamned House MD, he says “you guys are moving right? Did you clean out your fridge?” I’m like “Well, yeah, of course.” So he says “Your wife is into baking right? You’ve got all kinds of shit in your fridge. When you were cleaning it out you didn’t happen to eat any pine nuts, did you?” I thought about it and then I was like “Yeah, we had a bag of frozen pine nuts and we both ate a handful of them.” He laughs and says “She’s got Pine Mouth, it’s a weird olfactory reaction to certain types of pine nuts. She’ll be okay in a day or so.”
I’d never heard of Pine Mouth before. And I guess neither had our doctor. Thankfully we had a drunk seventy five year old immunologist on tap.
Why is the top comment not two things?
A) How to cook lentils from can.
B) How to cook lentils from dry.
Canned lentils are already cooked. You just need to warm them up.
edit: shit I spelled buy wrong.