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I really like the idea of Deno and Fresh's philosophy also resonates with me (I'm a Rails guy). I would like to see an integrated ORM (can be an existing one) and testing framework though, before I would consider it a "full-stack" web framework.

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Not sure about ORM, but Postgres.js[0] works on Deno. For testing, Deno includes a built-in test runner and assertions via the std[1].

[0] https://github.com/porsager/postgres

[1] https://deno.land/manual/testing

Yes, this is something I want to add in the future. We're just not quite there yet. My current plan is:

1. first class styling plugins

2. synchronized island state

3. built in data persistence

Amazing. If I can make a wish for 1: Tailwind =)

It is not documented, but run `deno run -A -r https://fresh.deno.dev my-app --twind` :)

Awesome, I will give this a spin soon =)

Since people are voting for Tailwind support, I have to throw in my vote for CSS modules! Even though Tailwind has a lot of momentum now, there are still a lot of people quietly getting things done with CSS Modules, CSS-in-JS, etc. :)

The JS ecosystem seems a lot more hesitant to bundle features into frameworks à la Rails/Laravel & friends, but Redwood.js sounds like what you're looking for. The ORM it uses is Prisma, which works really well on its own too.

https://redwoodjs.com https://www.prisma.io

If you want to learn about Redwood, I'd also recommend Amy's talk about it from Prisma Day two weeks ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zJ44wmo1Ro&ab_channel=Prism... :)

Redwood and Prisma look nice! But what I like more is a focus on serverside rendering and as few build steps as possible, like Fresh. I also find Deno more appealing than Node (simplicity).

But yes, I guess if I would need to pick a more mature framework with JS, Redwood would be the way to go.

Prisma is a nice product but I wouldn’t use it in production yet. It is prone to race conditions as it does not use native upserts, opting instead for Rails-style check-if-exists-insert-if-doesnt.

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