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Trump won white women in both presidential elections, and Trump got to stamp the court with three justices.

98% of black women voted for Clinton.

In 2016, 55% of voters were women, which trump won 47-44. By three points, which is a solid win in a presidential general election.

So Trump won the largest voting race+gender demographic.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/892859/women-support-ove...

For republican-leaning women (which will be white women based on the female black vote numbers), it is basically 50-50 in support/opposition for Roe V Wade. For Dem-leaning it is 85-15 roughly.

Roe V Wade is the most important women's right won in the courts in the last 50 years, and women voted to overturn it effectively.

Finally, this is the culmination of the liberal justices refusing to step down or retire. Ruth Baider Ginsburg is held up as a pinnacle of feminism, and yet her stubbornness to continue serving despite health problems and battles with cancer resulted in Trump getting a crucial third justice.

The most stalwart feminist justice handed the overturn of Roe V Wade to a president with a known record for sexual impropriety if not outright assault.

Obama sat on Merrick Garland.

The baby boomer generation ushered in sexual freedom when it was their time to be young and free, and then shut the door on it in their old age crapping over all the other generations.

What a world.

For the record, Ginsburg thought that Roe vs Wade was a mistake, for this exact reason. Momentum was lost to get actually good legislation in, and the vulnerable Roe vs Wade was put in instead.

This court will never say a federal law allowing abortion is constitutional. Thomas is 74 and Alito is 72. A lot of stars need to align so that anything can be done about this. The lone thing I see changing the calculus is if women in red states stage a mass protest by actually moving to blue states in massive numbers.

Doesn’t your argument apply also to state abortion legalization laws under equal protection? Are those getting struck down? I haven’t been keeping up with this topic.

This majority is regressive enough to go full Handmaid's Tale I fear.

This ruling has zero effect in my state where abortion is protected under the state constitution, and there’s near zero chance of a constitutional convention being formed in my lifetime, much less enough consensus being found at such a meeting.

Republicans have been floating a national ban on abortions; if the Republicans take the legislature in November, it is likely to be the first item on the agenda.

Roe v. Wade was the only thing preventing that.

In what way would it not be constitutional? Wouldn't a petitioner have to cite the preexisting implied rights or explicit laws violated in order for the case to even have standing?

> mass protest by actually moving to blue states in massive numbers

That actually makes the problem worse. You can't undo this without changing the court. You can't change the court without the senate and you can't get the senate of team blue continues to isolate it self in a handful of states.

Or maybe the women in red states can vote for democrats? The 2022 elections outcome could turn out very unexpected.

She wanted a privileges or immunities clause (in 14th Amendment) based argument instead. The issue there is that reopening the Slaughterhouse cases (which shut that line of questioning down) will reopen the obiter dicta therein on birthright citizenship. Pick one, abortion or birthright citizenship?

> In 2016, 55% of voters were women, which trump won 47-44. By three points, which is a solid win in a presidential general election.

You're quoting stats for white women only, Trump lost the female vote 54/39.

Which makes this claim factually incorrect:

> Roe V Wade is the most important women's right won in the courts in the last 50 years, and women voted to overturn it effectively.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examinati...

I'd imagine if you combined the age demographic information, the female vote that may actually be able to get pregnant and so be affected by this is going to swing even harder away from Trump.

The combined male and female vote swings 30% to the red between the 18-29 and 65+ demographics.

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