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also crippling the browser so it does it not eat into app store profits.

I play nvidia GeForce now through safari. Added to my Home Screen it has no browser chrome, and it supports my Bluetooth controller pad no problem.

What is crippled?

Safari iOS, nobody is talking about macos.

Edit: my bad. Well, I just want to be able to install another browser on the phone that I payed for.

They are talking about Safari iOS.

I stream games from Gamepass semi-regularly (the Backbone One is excellent) on my iPhone 12 Mini

I’m talking about my iPad.

https://firt.dev/notes/pwa-ios/

The ability to freely run programs on your own damn hardware!

Congratulations, you played a AAA video game on your personal surveillance device by streaming it from someone else's (useful) computer. Very cyberpunk of you! I guess that's why they call this place "hacker" news.

The two keys things:

- There is no persistent offline storage that isn't at risk of getting wiped every 7 days (even for apps added to the home screen).

- No push notifications (although these are coming).

Which is somewhat frustrating precisely because Safari is otherwise so capable.

Both of those sound like positives for users. Maybe they aren't your customer.

I'd hate to have a note taking PWA which data's get wiped every 7 days.

Solutions to this is to sync the data with a server, which then requires an account and user management, privacy considerations, keeping the server alive, backing up data, GDPR fun etc...

Any simple applications becomes a maintenance nightmare very quick.

They'd only be available with an explicit opt-in, so I don't see how. They'd probably only be available for webapps added to the homescreen too, so websites wouldn't even be able to spam the permissions request.

Positives like not having "save" ability on documents? Or not having push notifications so messaging applications, calendars and such is not possible? Both of these can be abused of course, but not having them forces many categories of apps to be native.

Users don't want notifications from random websites they browse to, but they need them for pwas they install to their home screen which are supposed to have parity with apps

I can't comment on cloud streaming, I guess vendors have ways to workaround browser limitations.

As a web dev, i find Safari to be the jankiest. Just opening the dev tools has become problematic recently.

While there's no browser chrome, it's still not fullscreen like native games can be, without the iOS status bar at the top: https://caniuse.com/fullscreen

Also their Gamepad API implementation doesn't do rumble: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/GamepadHapt...

This doesn't follow when you realise that apple also neglects it's own native platforms that eats into it's "app store profitss"

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