At this point, why do people even spend time on debunking the marketing claims of this language at all? It's been done to death, whoever was going to be convinced the V developer is a charlatan has already been convinced. For better or for worse.
Do you have any examples?
So we have a situation where the OP created a hit piece with no feedback from V developers or its community, and detractors are elaborating on it, that leaves few other public options to address it.
And nonsense like setting array length on creation is a terrible idea. Go with its `make([]int, 5)` must be a terrible scam language as well.
If he had a good faith, he'd report these issues via GitHub, and they'd get fixed within a week.
So, regarding your claim that I have "a habit of overpromising and even declaring things finished before even starting on them".
Please, list them here. 1.2.3.
Must be easy if there's a habit.
What a nice character you are.
Like I said, it's already pretty clear what kind of character you are.
Alex, all of these are still open right not and are not fixed:
- "No mut m := x mutability check" https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/14803
- "closure capture names are not checked for uniqueness with the closure parameter names" https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/14787
- "segfault in auto string method generated for []&int{len:1} (does not check for 0 pointers)" https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/14786
> using -prod for measuring compiler speed
My article does not do that. I included all the steps used and the 1,000,000 line tests use tcc and not -prod.
> And nonsense like setting array length on creation is a terrible idea. Go with its `make([]int, 5)` must be a terrible scam language as well.
V allows the user to override length field which is used in bounds-checking with no validation. That's the problem.
Please stop lying and just be honest about the state of V.
Given the behavior of you, Tozen and ylluminate on this thread, I have zero interest in interacting with the V "community" again.
No it doesn't, it can only be set on init.
Please stop lying and just be honest about the state of V.
You never interacted with the community, never reported the bugs, never discussed these issues on Discord. Gotta create a new account and spread disinfo.
The V project should feel free to pull any bug reports they want out of my blog post (I see they've already done so multiple times). From the votes on the comment section here, I can it's obvious to everyone how dysfunctional the V community is which explains a lot about the state of the project. I will not be interacting with you again.
And you have the audacity to call the V community dysfunctional.
Indeed you are, but realize that you are also ambassadors for your language, and engaging in petty language war nonsense on public forums doesn’t leave anyone looking great. That’s a problem for V moreso than your detractors, because you are the ones building a reputation for yourselves, while your detractors are relatively anonymous and fungible. They can act anyway they want and it won’t follow them around.
On the other hand, everything said here by Vlangers will stick to V and will be brought up on the next thread. You don’t want the reputation of being fanboys who will descend on any thread about V and zealously argue about it for days. But that’s the reputation you’re building here, and it has nothing to do with the behavior or actions of anyone else. That’s something you are actively choosing to do, and it doesn’t make you or your community look good.
Again, no one looks great in threads like these, but most people here aren’t building a reputation. V is building a reputation. What do the posts by Vlangers here say about V? It’s not exactly a shining advertisement for your community.
Funny, I notice the supporters of other languages don't seem to follow such advice. They make strong defenses and advocate for the languages they like, anywhere and everywhere, including on even this thread.
If anything, V supporters might want to be more vocal and show their support (which can be done in various ways), to counter what's going on. It doesn't work to stay quiet and let bullies keep slapping a person around. They incorrectly interpret it as a sign to continue.
But as long as you’re here on HN could you please at least follow this community’s guidelines? Several of your posts have been flagged for containing personal attacks, and accusations of bad faith and gaslighting are not well-received here. If you’re going to continue commenting, please just make your comments substantive. A strong defense of V would not include accusing others of bad faith because they didn’t file a bug report of GitHub.
Those people who are open-minded about programming languages, can make up their own minds about V. I'm quite sure their decisions will not be solely dependent on HN or me, if they even come by here.
And sure, I will heed the warning to watch my back on HN, to include the downvoting and flagging.
Please list the things that were declared finished before even starting on them.
The V compiler is self hosting for example, there are useful examples done in the main repo, people are using it for writing web servers.
What it should do, to "qualify", and to qualify in what?
How can anyone possibly believe this?? What is the motivation?? V is a `README` full of desires, and a source tree full of incompetence. There is no concrete or technical evidence that can support this optimism. Zig is a serious project. Go is a serious project. Rust is a serious project. V is, obviously, an un-serious project.
As for the source tree full of incompetence - that may be so, if you can help, you are welcome to make PRs to improve it.
As incompetently written as it is, it is capable of compiling itself, and quickly, unlike some others.
I have no horse in the race, and having never seen the controversy, it does seem suspicious that the language author is making money off of claims that simply aren’t true. The amount of stars on GitHub compared to actual activity on comparable repos does indicate that the marketing is working though, the claims being made are taken at face value, not the WIPs that they actually are.
I too can dream of a perfect language, but it doesn’t mean I should put up a website claiming that I’ve actually made it and it’s real.