sigh
it could be so awesome if a non-schizo designer got involved. it's frustrating really. so much potential, such thick window bars.
it is so stupid.
Then the great childish "let's rewrite everything from scratch" for both Linux DEs happened. It was a decade? before KDE was remotely viable again.
The gnome/gtk Devs focusing on zero configuration options possibly the most rubbish redesign I've ever seen.
KDE/Plasma only became viable to me in the last 24 months. Felt like a POC
Gnome 3 confused (and continues to confuse) me to no end every time I tried it (which admittedly was not all that often. KDE 2 was cool, but I did not like KDE 3, although I do not remember why. I stopped paying much attention to KDE at that point. Xfce is nice, but not as nice as Gnome2/Mate.