Fed plans to ‘reset’ the housing market–raising likelihood of falling homeprices
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I’m wondering if we might see more houses go up for sale, but not necessarily a drop in prices simply because the demand will be there to soak up the supply for a long time.
Either smart money or inflated prices, pick one
The definition of demand is quantity demanded at every given price level. With mortgage rates rising, the size of loans any individual can take out at every level of wealth/income is dropping significantly.
At the end of the day, you can want to buy all you want, but unless you have or can get the money, it’s a moot point.
Prices were 10% lower before last year and were was this massive amount of young people then ? Waiting for a 10% drop too
By the time housing is 20% off the peak, unemployment will be raging and those people will have lost a lot of their life savings in crypto and the stock market. Without jobs and saving they won't be stepping into the market to buy. Meanwhile forced selling by people who were overly leveraged will cause a supply glut.
Unless you've saved enough to buy a house outright, you'll probably end up paying in interest what you would have paid in principle. Whether it ends up being better or worse for the average buyer remains to be seen.
Is that a better outcome from a mortgage interest deduction perspective?
The problem with inflation and poor people is more short term: wages are one of the last things to inflate, so there is still a short term drop in buying power. This applies to everyone relying on wage income, but the poor have the least slack to manage it.
of alternatively they dont inflate at all and you lose a lot of purchasing power.
But while they are both irrationally overvalued, you can’t mine for new housing stock.
Buying vs renting is a choice
What's more, unlike long term fixed rate mortgages, rent tends to increase every year according to market conditions, so when renting you can't avoid the increase by staying where you are.
Market conditions means rents can decrease too
And unlike mortgages you can’t finance rents - it’s based on what the tenants are willing to pay
Why would this be a Fed concern at all ?
At most they can affect the demand side
"It's clear that Powell hopes the housing cooldown caused by rising mortgage rates will help to push inventory levels up. "
The Fed wants housing prices to fall and is hoping this will bolster housing supply in the short term since building inventory takes a lot of time.
Instead of cooling down an overheated economy, they wait for the bad effects to start before they do anything.
You can't really time the market. So buy something you want at a price your comfortable with.
How can you determine if that is the correct/desired course of action?
https://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/monetary-polic...
https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/pressreleases/mone...
I think the bubble talk is slightly overstated due to the increase in remote workers. That demand isn't going anywhere soon, which means prices aren't likely to come down much. The Fed is really trying to price out AirBnb and institutional investors, which only account for a small percentage of the market anyway.
https://www.longtermtrends.net/home-price-median-annual-inco...
I had a front row seat to this in 2010, during my stint as a creditor's rights attorney.
It was this odd tango of homeowners who would strategically default, and creditors dragging their feet throughout the foreclosure process.
It was implied that as long as the property was sufficiently maintained, the creditors would waive the deficiency judgement when they decided to foreclose. They would try to limit the number of foreclosures in a neighborhood or zip code to prevent saturating a given areas market.
Kind of a brilliant win win. No cost living for up to 3 years for being a good caretaker. That's the only bright side to it. It was savage and emotionally taxing, I'm glad to be a debt now.
That said, if the rate is attractive and you have a long time horizon which you can predict reliably, then you might still find the rate attractive. if you plan to sell over the next 5 years though, it may be better to rent and negotiate lower rents if housing prices fall.
Alternatively, if you have a specific use for a house that requires you to own, consider whether that use is worth a premium of homeownership. (e.g. you have a woodworking business and need space that is hard to rent, or you have kids that need to go to a specific school district)
Timing the market is a bad idea, having contingencies for the eventuality that your timing was wrong is a good idea. so, build the cost of the contingencies into your model.
Finally, don't get into a false dichotomy of rent vs buy. it is better to think about the total sum on the table for either option and how you'd like to allocate it. e.g. you could just buy a smaller house, or rent a bigger one. Or, rent as cheaply as possible and buy gold, or bootstrap a small business. remember to enumerate all possible capital allocations before getting trapped in the choice between just rent vs buy.
You asked about Chicago - the city as a whole doesn't have the outrageous prices of California, and so might do something different from the national average. Within the cities some areas have better prices than others. Different areas of the city will see different results. This applies in California as well - location matters.
You have to live someplace. What will rent cost if you don't buy now. I lost money on my first house (moved at the bottom of the 2008 downturn), but after accounting for all the rent I would have had to pay instead of the house I was still better off financially.
Make your best guess based on the above. You will be wrong in at least minor details, but hopefully close enough. In the worst case you just have to accept you made the best decision you could at the time, and there was no way to know it would turn out bad.
Don't forget though that real estate is an inflation hedge so even if the market cools it is hard to see it falling off a cliff.
Mortgage rates are likely to stay elevated for a year minimum, so that’s just reality if you need a place to live in the meantime. Paying the extra monthly cost until rates drop and you can refinance probably still beats renting for that time.
That word "reset" is ominous and should be taken very seriously.
People think that we're due for a correction in house prices so that first time buyers can get a chance to enter. That's not how housing bubbles end. They end with lower house prices, but such a crippled economy that few can or want to buy them out of fear of future declines/job losses, and severely restricted lending standards.
The idea that the Fed controls any of this is ridiculous. The arrogance of this institution is astounding. It's not a central bank. It doesn't control money, but rather a utility token called "bank reserves." It doesn't open and close valves on the monetary steam engine. It doesn't even know where those valves are located or their operating range because for decades the eurodollar system has allowed financial institutions to route around the Fed.
The arrogance was intervening as much as they did in the first place, creating a massive bubble.
Even if inflation subsides, they will likely sell MBS to keep mortgage rates high until housing cools off. Home prices are already far higher than the 2000s peak in inflation adjusted terms
It is very literally the central bank [0] [1] and lender of last resort [2] of the United States. I'm not sure what you're saying.
[0] https://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/the-fed-explained...
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve
[2] https://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/lenderoflastresort.asp
at sufficiently advanced levels, incompetence is indistinguishable from malice and should be treated as such
2. Institute a forced lockdown on the global economy without sufficient evidence or understanding of the looming disaster
3. Print even more indiscriminately and hand out "loans" to practically anyone wtih any kind of business
4. Insist that inflation is transitory
5. Say you're going to raise rates. But don't raise them high or fast enough, allowing inflation to creep up.
6. Panic.
Unreal incompetence. A bunch of suites in a boardroom shouldn't have that much power over the global economy.
The US needs to be building millions of houses every year from here on out, but NIMBYs won't let one be built!
EDIT: Yes the way things are is a symptom of this. Pointing out that individuals don't get loans to build houses only proves my point.
If this were settler times then you would have to do everything, perhaps, but in this advanced economy others will happily do the work for you in exchange for money. You can increase your involvement, trading time for money, as much as you wish but it isn't strictly necessary.
Yes but it seems to me that regulation and zoning disproportionately prevent building in desirable areas.
> The way credit works heavily discourages people from building houses and only lets them buy housing that's already built.
Interesting, would you care to explain further?
The reason the peninsula is so expensive as well is because there's very little housing compared to the demand. If we built nice high density housing and got rid of crappy tax-inefficient suburbs then we could have lower cost of housing for everyone (including SFH).
So if it is taken out of housing, then either it will go to commodities, stocks or crypto.
I got a feeling that rich people will keep investing on land, so I don’t think a housing market crash will happen but prices might drop a bit.
Money isn’t conserved in our system. When the Fed sells a bond, and it’s presently selling tens of billions, scheduled to increase to hundreds of billions, it destroys that money.
The central bank is perpetually scared of debt deflation so it targets a 2% inflation rate. If you could implement a -2% negative interest rate you wouldn't need inflation targeting at all. Debt deflation wouldn't result in a stagnant economy with unemployment making it easier for governments run a balanced budget or short term austerity without ill sideffects.
Meanwhile, since home prices aren’t going to fall, mortgage rates are going up, so now it becomes prohibitively expensive to even get a mortgage.