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We want a sub-YCNews

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There are only two reasons you'd want to do that: (a) if the volume of submissions became too great for a single thread, or (b) if people wanted to talk about things that would otherwise be offtopic.

(a) is obviously not the case yet. As for (b), this is a site about startups. If it's not at least somewhat related to startups, it shouldn't be here.

If what you're really asking for is a general news site, not about startups, I'm thinking of starting one. But if I do it won't be at this url.

It has become apparent that the quality of these social news sites depends on the quality/commitment of the society that is supporting it. It would be very interesting and useful to find out what the start up folks are doing on a daily basis besides thinking about start ups. Like I said, this could be a very good inspiration tool.

Lisp was a landmark in my large scale understanding of computer science. I wonder what are the landmarks in understanding something like physics, or say bio-informatics. What are the problems that these people are facing? Hackers like learning just for the heck of it. In the process we can bring about useful start ups to these domains instead of making another calender application and stacking outside some big huge company in the hopes of being acquired.

I am not asking for a general news site. I am asking for a site where news.yc culture and outlook is preserved, but the domain is slightly relaxed (Note: the relaxing should stop well before we start seeing LOL(pic) in the submissions). If you won't keep the same URL, its ok, as long as you some how figure out how to set up that "outlook".

What you're talking about is roughly what I'm thinking of starting.

We need a SUB-YCnews where the people of news.yc can post other stuff that they are interested in. That is exactly how startup inspiration will occur. Not by talking about startups all day till you bleed through your nose. We want sub-yc! we want sub-yc! we want sub-yc! [ :o| Consults wikipedia on how to start a lynch mob.]

That's how Reddit became crappy. There's plenty of other aggregators that will give you news on anything you might imagine.

PG, please keep YCNews focused and keep it niche. More people and wider subjects will just diffuse the relevancy of content.

Constant Bush-Hating "Progressive" links and conspiracy theories are how reddit became crappy.

That's the proximate cause (or one of them, in my opinion), but I think what's interesting is how that came to be. I mean, disliking Bush is pretty mainstream around the world, but the sort of frothing at the mouth attitude at reddit isn't. How did the extreme come to dominate?

This is one of the rare cases where reddit does worse than digg. Digg's frontpage ranking algorithm (newest-first rather than bubble-up) means they have to have a way to bury stories. Reddit doesn't. But that means it's vulnerable to a group of a few hundred ultra-dedicated zealots.

I have some ideas about how to fix this (without digg censorship). The news sites we have now are still only version 1s.

I wonder if it was just the first group to dominate at reddit meant that it they would always downvote submissions that didn't confirm their outlook, attracting more people with a like mind, and repelling people with differing opinions.

If I owned reddit I would have modified it so that you could have blocked submissions from people or sites you didn't like. That would have helped make it bearable for people like me.

A "tipping point" in other words. That seems plausible. I think the problem with simply blocking people and sites is that the site still "tips", and you end up ignoring too many people. The happiest people are those who dont' have to ignore anyone.

Which brings up another point - do you really want to foster debate? Maybe it's better to just feed people what they want. If I can't have thoughtful, considerate, and informed debate, I think I'd rather just have the echo chamber than impolite, rude, paranoid extremist rants.

"More people and wider subjects will just diffuse the relevancy of content".

I am not talking about More People, am I?. I am talking only about wider subjects. Relevancy is a tricky word nickb. Relevancy is a very tricky word.

No, Digg is how Reddit became crappy. A pictures sub-reddit might help fix it.

But news.yc definitely does not need subs. It IS a sub and nothing else.

Really? I thought Reddit went downhill about year and a half ago. More users = diluted content.

I was almost surprised when I saw a Paris Hilton story hit the top not too long ago. I'm eagerly awaiting PG's new news site.

I have a suspicion that most if not all of these communities go downhill when the number of people involved starts to really go north of the "monkey number":

http://journal.dedasys.com/articles/2007/06/11/dunbars-number-and-online-communities

As someone comments, stumbleupon is a little bit better, because instead of having one home page for N people, which simply cannot scale, you are more closely connected to people who share your interests. I'm not sure how that works out for news sites, though.

Part of the problem may be that, initially, concentrating your user community might be the only way to go beyond a critical mass of users, but then as growth continues, you do want to spread people out.

Who are these news.yc people?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobbit

I'm pretty sure Elijah Wood does not have a startup.

actually...

Edinburgh International Film Festival Day 7 Elijah Wood has very blue eyes and is trying to start up his own record label, good news for Scotland as he's a fan of local heroes Franz Ferdinand and Sons ... www.iofilm.co.uk/festivals/edinburgh/2005/diary_24082005.php -

This, somehow, seems like it might belong in the Feature Request section. :p

I don't think the site has the user base to sustain subfeeds at the moment. Also it isn't really intended to be a one-stop source for everything, feel free to create a better one and ask us to migrate though. :)

You seem to have the baggage of reddit, I am not talking about specific subfeeds. Their is no plural. Just a sub-feed which is the complement of what we have here. 1.News.YC. 2.Everything else.

"feel free to create a better one and ask us to migrate though."

I was going to create one and post a message here inviting people. I thought this is a simpler way to solve this problem. So I am trying this discussion first. :)

You can check out http://www.DailyHub.com. Not nearly the traffic/submissions as News.YC but is focused on business geeks (and extends beyond just startups).

Not for everyone, but if you're looking for decent content on marketing, strategy and other business topics, you might like it.

Sub-sites suck. Add tags, problem solved.

Help me understand by showing me an example of what other stuff would be posted.

stuff like this: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29966

again no concrete reply in that thread. only: "I can't remember|I don't know exactly|etc ..." I think at news.yc is slightly everything interesting, the only thing I can't stand is "The True Zuckerberg's Story" 22 times a day.

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