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The Earth, who knew. Family moves from temperate climate to the desert, wonders why it's always so hot, must be climate change. The seas are rising, man checks web cams for sea side resorts around the world and photos from the past several decades, no change in sea levels, doesn't fit the narrative, must be wrong.

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These sorts of measurements aren't done on the basis of one person eyeballing some pictures or making observations about the weather around them.

If you're serious about trying to understand the world around you, but don't trust others' data analysis, you can download the raw data & do the calculations yourself.

Historical tide gauge data: https://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/hazard/tide.shtml

You likely want the CO-OPS 1-minute water level data.

Historical daily weather station data: https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/products/land-based-station/global...

I think the second link is broken.

This is a great reply but these people aren't here because they want to learn; they're here the announce that they're better than you, and know The Truth. So, a person like this will take your tide data and just tell you it's false, or flawed, or ask with a wink whether you really can trust it, etc etc. They're not here for conversation, they're here for a monologue.

I check the data for myself, not interested in either a monologue or your soapbox preaching. Review recent photographs of beaches from around the world from today then compare to historic photos of the same beaches.

I am completely baffled why we still have global warming deniers like this guy here. Just completely convinced by propaganda?

Never discount disordered thinking.

his statement isnt denying climate change, its just saying short term freaky weather happens. And people often use short term weather within statistical bounds as evidence of climate change when it is mor of a long term thing that is statistical to measure.

Read his statement with the missing nod to consensus "while climate change is real" at the beginning.

What does it mean when dialogue can’t be had without first incensing the air with the quasi-religious rites of “jabs are safe and effective,” “climate change is real and manmade,” “there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud,” “peace be upon him” etc?

It does seem to be a weirdly ritualistic way of quickly signifying that ‘I am on your team, I am not one of the crazy ones; however, I would still like to talk about [touchy subject] without you making baseless assumptions.’

Your speculative explanation is incorrect, as is clear from this user's other comments:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30450710 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31559512 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31559404 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31559481

This appears to be a bugbear for them.

It's exhausting. His thinking is literally a direct threat to human survival as we know it. Yet somehow, we accept this shit as part of the discourse. I don't see why we don't treat them like flat earthers or cultists.

I live in California and have first-hand experience with water shortages and all kinds of other fun things pertaining to drastic climate changes. I'm not a Global Warming or a Climate Change denier, but I do want to lay some things down. Flat-earthers are people who ignore the laws of physics that make up almost everything that has to do with modern civilization. Global Warming or Climate Change deniers are people who disagree about the effects of humanity on global climate and the policies that are being enacted locally or federally to avoid potential consequences. The first group is full of idiots. The latter group predominantly consists of people who look at bans on plastic straws and farting cows and draw their conclusions from that. I'm sorry, but the only exhausting thing about all of this is people like you who completely dismiss the other side because they somehow beat into their head that this is a simple one-dimensional issue.

> The latter group predominantly consists of people who look at bans on plastic straws and farting cows and draw their conclusions from that.

What about the people who think climate change is real but question the science and ask why 1 study includes X but not Y while another includes Y but not X, and suggest it’s cherry picking data?

It's a bit hyperbolic to say that any one person's thinking is "literally" a direct threat to human survival, unless that person has his finger on the nuclear button. Some person's incoherent opinion on the internet is not literally a threat to anything.

I'm pointing this out because hyperbole and demonization do no one any good, either when trying to correct misinformation or when trying to enact policy.

That's why I referred to their thinking, not to them per se. Their thoughts are shared by enough people to be a real problem.

I am completely baffled why we still have people who confuse normal weather for indicators of climate change.

Climate change is real, but it did not invent bad weather.

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