It's an interesting issue, and wildly varies depending on who manages her devices. For instance if she has an iPhone with a windows computer, a third party manager brings uniformity to how she deals with login on any device she happens to use. Same if she happens to use a Chromebook.
Or even if she uses an older Apple device, I'm assuming passkeys won't come to previous OSes, and upgrading a 2018 MBP just to get passkeys would come with a lot of trade-offs.
Perhaps I'm seeing it as, it's already a complex mess already, and Apple didn't come with a silver buller to solve all that complexity in one swoop.
PS: password managers are fairly straightforward to explain: it's a digital equivalent of the password notebook they keep in the side drawer
If you won't dig into even an iPhone's settings to learn what's available, what it can do, good luck to you. That curiosity and willingness to play around, accompanied with Google searches when they don't know what something does, is critical in making it in the world today. Or if you remain a rube, and they will, you'll get scammed someday because you're not on the top of your game mentally. Just lazying it up.
I've come to two solutions. Either Bitwarden or KeePass with only a mobile client to begin with. If they are managing that, then I graduate them to clients on multiple systems and the integration advantages that brings.
I'm a KeePass Windows and Strongbox Pro user on iOS myself. Prefer to keep that database where I want it. Bitwarden is probably the ticket for most people though. If you start them on mobile only, it helps a lot.
Nana and Papa are not locksmiths.
Nana and Papa still deserve to have a front door to their house that can't be lockpicked.
Normal people, who have other interests in life than configuring technology, should have secure devices and data from criminals. And they shouldn't have to configure 5 different obscure password managers to do so.
Society shouldn't allow criminals to take advantage of Nana and Papa.
This is one of the most embarrassing comments I've read on Hackernews.
To avoid being lockpicked you only need two-factor. It's that simple. You need some form of password manager, even if it's paper and pencil, until a megacorp handles it all for you. That'll require a universal standard to be adopted, which won't be here soon.
The rest of your assertions are assuming a premise that I never stated. Feigning offense on the internet has really gone over the top. Of course people should have secure devices.
Nana and Papa are not technologically literate enough to perform the kinds of configurations you suggest. In depth custom password manager configuration isn't for them.
They are not at fault for that.
We simply cannot expect all of humanity to be that technologically literate. There are many, many roles in life that don't involve electronic devices that are immensely valuable.
I think that's what I'm deeply offended by. It's not feigned.
But I apologize I don't mean to imply you are talking in bad faith. That's out of line.
My view is.
Engineers cannot expect untrained, ordinary, people in the real world to operate and install complex software.
We have a responsibility to provide them with secure devices they can use.
Privacy and security from bad actors is a moral right.
I don't worry too much because most of the most important entities, such as say Social Security in the US forces 2FA on users. I just signed up on that site the other day, and they simply force you to do everything securely, or you don't get in. I found the process lengthy, but appropriate and well-done. That's a great example of how to secure something important without waiting on industry to solve everything.
I agree password management is one of the most difficult parts of the average person's digital experience. Until it's solved through a universal pact by Google/Microsoft/Apple, the built-in password manager on iOS is pretty decent for those types of users. Passkey is a good step in popularizing a solution.
One project I've worked on, something like 5-10 out of every 200 people successfully misspelt their own name in text forms.
Non-professionals create human error. The more details the non-professional has to configure, the higher the percentage of human errors across your userbase.
The issue is, in device security, human error is not acceptable.
Eg., I was telling a middle aged person (50 years) about password managers and were unable to grasp the idea of it. 'Why would you store passwords in cloud based password manager from a company I have never heard of, just type a password and write it down on your diary (OS notes app) or just store it in chrome. I trust google (chrome) to keep my passwords safe rather than with some sketchy company I have never heard of (the sketchy company if one of the most reputable cloud based password management company).
This is more than a little ageist, don’t you think?
> Why would you store passwords in cloud based password manager from a company I have never heard of?
This is actually a very valid question; hope you didn’t just dismiss it due to “the oldie doesn’t understand.”
It was not meant in that way, same thing could be said about 20 year old, who have no idea (or unable to grasp) about password manager but more importantly about Authenticator Apps (Micorosft Authenticator, Authy, Aegis).
>This is actually a very valid question; hope you didn’t just dismiss it due to “the oldie doesn’t understand.”
You are reading my comment from a wrong angle.
I used Apple keychain for a while, and it wasn't good at recognizing which site needed which password, not even including account switching when you want to use a different one. If it hasn't significantly improved, it will be a pretty frustrating experience for user heavily relying on it (and not just using the same 5 sites the same way everyday)
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