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The thing that everyone knows these days is Google Docs, not Office.

Only in a very small, insular bubble.

I don't know, I've worked with tiny startups and bigger companies like Red Hat, and huge banks, and GSuite is very widely used. The biggest corps don't seem to use it, but I definitely don't think it's only used in a small insular bubble

According to my Google Research Google Workspace has 19.2% marketshare and Office 365 65%.

I wouldn't call 20% "a small insular bubble".

As the the children using it in schools grow up the percentage will probably change in Googles favour. Cheap Chromebooks and G-suite for schools was the entry to try breaking Microsoft monopoly on an Office suite we will find out if they succeeded in the next decade.

> we will find out if they succeeded in the next decade.

I'm worried that Google ADHD strikes Workspace, to be honest the reason many still stick up with Microsoft is that they understand the proposition of enterprise software, but assuming Google didn't touch Workspace like it did for its messaging and payment solutions it could be a 50/50 split.

Most other startups I know use GSuite.

I don't know a single person in the company I work for that use MS Office or has done the last three or so years.

Supposedly you can get a license if you need it, but I don't know anyone who need it or even complain about it.

Everything goes in Confluence (or.md files in repos) or something similar these days, doesn't it?

The fresh-off-the-line uni grads I talk to are still doing Office training as a first year course.

I have never heard of a college course about Microsoft Office at a university in the US. And I went to college in early to mid 2000s.

Colleges offer entire degree programs in using Microsoft Office software. You can get an Associate's degree just in that alone.

I've never been to a college that didn't require one Office course for all graduates.

I think maybe people are talking at cross purposes here and using the word 'college' differently, because I (in the USA) never even heard of a college that offers such a course, much less requires it.

I am also in the US. I'd have to dig up details on the "Office class" I had to take, but for example, here's a two-year college in my area's Office program: https://cod.edu/academics/programs/ofti/index.aspx

FWIW, I'm Australian, and I'm talking about our local Universities. Doing a BSc myself, Msft Office training wasn't a requirement for my course, but many of the Bachelor of IT courses did have it as a requirement. Talking to my colleagues, they also had it as a requirement.

FWIW, I'm Australian, and have never heard of such a requirement.

Swinburne seems to offer such courses, but they're not credited, and not compulsary, and they're one day things designed for students who have never even turned on a computer before. They're definitely not part of a Bachelor of IT.

MelbUni, VicUni and FedUni don't even offer anything like that, at all.

I guess I’m talking about 4 year liberal arts colleges when I say or think “college”.

Depends on the field. I think the main sticking point is Excel, a large number of businesses still rely on Excel-specific features.

I wouldn't want to have anyone on my team who couldn't pick up either in a few days. An average user isn't expected to run some complex analysis or create complex dashboards.

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