Ohio set to allow teachers, other staff to carry guns
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All so some compensating assholes can play weekend warriors and pretend that they’re Rambo. I bet something as minimal as tying gun ownership to signing up to be enlisted in the event of war would get rid of a bunch.
> Armed teachers would be required to undergo criminal background checks and receive eight hours of additional training each subsequent year.
I would be in favor of even more training, frankly. Owning a gun is already a serious responsibility; using it in defense of others is an existential concern.
There have already been numerous cases of teachers and "school resource"/police officers beating kids, I'm sure adding a gun won't go wrong.
Now for your repeat of the facetious claims that an AR-15 is not "automatic". An "consumer" AR-15 is ArmaLite's realization that by making a semi-automatic trigger pull killing weapon - an AR-15 is not a self defence weapon - they could make a huge profit from wannabe Rambos. But it's still automatic. I've used plenty of non-automatic weapons on many occasions (if you need to be able to shoot lots of time when hunting, you need to learn to shoot), and there is no way that I could ever get any of those rifles to anywhere in the vicinity of 45/minute.
I don't care if a weapon is fully- or semi- automatic, it's automatic.
The purpose of an AR-15 is to kill people. The "Semi" automatic mode fires at 45 rounds a minute, which is more than needed for self defense or hunting (unless you suck at it). That's ignoring bump stocks, which pro-school shooting folk are still trying to make legal again.
The article already says they will receive training gratis.
> There have already been numerous cases of teachers and "school resource"/police officers beating kids, I'm sure adding a gun won't go wrong.
What prevents them from having a gun now, other than a sign?
> an AR-15 is not a self defence weapon - they could make a huge profit from wannabe Rambos.
It is used defensively thousands of times per year, disproportionally more than used for offensive tasks.
> I don't care if a weapon is fully- or semi- automatic, it's automatic.
You may think so, but it doesn't make it true. They're different technologies, and one is already restricted.
> The purpose of an AR-15 is to kill people.
Indeed, and when bad people want to do bad things, good people should be empowered with the same tools to resist them.
> The "Semi" automatic mode fires at 45 rounds a minute, which is more than needed for self defense or hunting (unless you suck at it).
The 2nd Amendment is neither for self-defense nor for hunting, to assume so is to be ignorant of America's history with firearms and rebellion.
We don't need a time machine, we can read other letters and correspondence from the time to make such inferences.
> Inferences can be made, but it’s hardly “good working order” without knowing who is available and where.
According to whom? You? Are you a constitutional scholar, or something?
> There were no significant weapons differences then but they certainly are now. “Who’sgot the horse” comes to mind as the additional info needed to run a militia.
Same meaningless argument could be made about free speech and the 1st Amendment. Certainly we didn't have social media and Twitter back then, so we should heavily regulate them, maybe even outright ban them, right?
I wonder if Stephen King still thinks pulling Rage from publication is a good idea. It doesn't seem to have helped. (Incidentally, reading that novel helped me understand that as tempting a fantasy as it is to bring a gun to school and take my class hostage, it wouldn't get me what I wanted.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o1l2LQGyP8
24 hours of training is going to be woefully inadequate. It doesn't stand to reason that a teacher can secure their weapon, keep it a secret from their students, and effectively wield it in a school hallway that has almost no cover.
Armed teachers are going to get more students killed than the murderous assholes they're supposed to combat.
Also, if I was a student in Ohio and I wanted to shoot up my school, I would start by trying to steal the teachers' guns and ammunition. It saves me the trouble of buying my own, makes background checks irrelevant, and makes it harder for the teachers to oppose me by returning fire.
tl;dr: Ohio legislators didn't think this shit through, and kids are going to die for their foolishness.
What people are quick to forget is that the difference between a shooting and a mass shooting is a quick and prompt armed response. Basically a good guy with a gun. Ironically, Canadians themselves proved that 15 years ago [0].
So, that excludes the cops standing outside for an hour twiddling their thumbs, then?
Good guy with a gun is ad hoc, dangerous (collateral damage), and ineffective.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shafia_family_murders
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London,_Ontario_truck_attack
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Calgary_stabbing
[4] https://nypost.com/2020/11/03/quebec-police-release-new-deta...
[5] https://www.the-sun.com/news/2445508/toronto-van-attack-ince...
Canada's (very) conservative press: https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/crime-pmn/ohio-to-let-...
Right-wing newspaper: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/06/02/ohio-p...
Left-wing news: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/ohio-governor-to-sign-bi...
Mainstream news: https://www.10tv.com/article/news/local/ohio/ohio-house-pass...
Fox news: https://www.foxnews.com/us/ohio-teachers-carry-guns-training
satisfied?
Ideally, they'll couple the reduction of gun availability with an increase in mental health treatment, but the different approach to health care helps a little.
The mass shooting in Nova Scotia where 23 people were killed - those were illegal guns, the RCMP had been told about the guy, and yet nothing was done.
Like I said, it's all smoke and mirrors.
It doesn't. Just makes it harder for law abiding citizens to defend themselves against criminals using illegal weapons.
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
It would not impact the 2nd amendment rights to limit the high-end/military style weaponry to some degree. But nothing will be done until there is a sufficient societal change to even consider such restrictions. Won't see that in my lifetime. Hell, some kind of waiting period or red flag law would help.
What does the 2nd amendment have to do with Canada?
It's been like that for decades?