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> You're trying to take away my guns while leaving it for people that can afford security.

I mean this with a surprised but real sincerity. I’m a former gun rights advocate and this notion was a big reason why I was. Don’t get me wrong, I do want to selectively restrict gun access. I want to preserve it for hunters, and potentially for severe cases where individuals are acutely threatened. I don’t otherwise want private individuals or police or state organizations to have access.

> You're trying to talk to my kids about sensitive sexual issues at crazy young ages.

I understand the origin of this point but it doesn’t faze me. Know how I learned too early about sexual issues? My brand new step brother had been raped by his father who very much shares your views on this topic. He told me to warn me, at my mom’s wedding. That’s how I learned about sexual topics I wasn’t prepared for. His father had his record erased. My family kept it secret but I knew, every time it came up in hushed tones. Spare me keeping kids safe from talking about sex.

> You're trying to make it harder for my kids to get jobs or go to college because they were born a certain color.

I don’t know what this is even about, but I didn’t go to college so maybe enlighten me.

> You're trying to make it harder to lock people away for major property crimes

Not even slightly cheeky… huh???

> You're trying to make it easier for undocumented people to come to the US instead of being selective like even Canada is.

This one you got right. I emphatically agree with this characterization of my position and think it’s understated.

> I could go on and on, but I think the things the left is doing is flat out dangerous to society, while what the right does is maybe mean spirited sometimes but for the best.

I don’t think I have any chance of convincing you otherwise, I just have years of witnessing and experiencing violence to the contrary. Violence mostly directed at people who just wanted to exist, many of them politically involved in nothing at all. My “side” isn’t what you think. My entire political focus has been centered around advocating for people who are harmed for no fault of their own.

Anecdotes about bad things that happen to some people aren't going to phase me and change my mind out about large scale systematic damage the left wants to do.

Regardless though, my point is that there are 'sides' and 'groups' and thinking poorly about the other side isn't going to go away when someone running for president of the United States calls people basically evil.

People on the right think that people on the left are naiive and foolish. People on the left think people on the right are evil. So if anything, the left is doing what this entire thread is about.

> aren't going to phase me and change my mind

Already addressed that, try to keep up.

> Regardless though, my point is that there are 'sides' and 'groups' and thinking poorly about the other side isn't going to go away when someone running for president of the United States calls people basically evil.

There are sides. I don’t care for the good/evil distinction, but there is a clear conflict of values and it’s not going away with the actual president who doesn’t seem to muster any effort for the values he claims to represent.

> People on the right think that people on the left are naiive and foolish. People on the left think people on the right are evil. So if anything, the left is doing what this entire thread is about.

Looks like we’re discussing thoughtcrimes not facts. One participating party doing violence and the other perceiving them as resorting to violence isn’t equivalent harm done.

Correct, the left is the one that does the violence. You can look at jails and murder stats for that if you like, but in general is pretty obvious who the very intolerant ones are and it's the left.

Please go on, I can find no evidence of your claim but I’m listening.

You weren't able to find if most murderers vote Democrat or Republican? Doesn't that make you doubt if you're able to find anything at all? Should you even be talking about any of this if you can't even do that?

Not that I think there’s any value in continuing this discussion. But for posterity, it’s absurd that you extrapolated my point which was obviously about political violence, past violence generally and straight to a facile talking point gotcha used as red meat for people who already agree eat it up. Even if there’s anything meaningful to learn from murderers’ voting history, that’s hardly a representative sample of violence generally or of political violence specifically. I’d also point out it’s absurd to characterize voting for Democrats as “the left”, but I think we’re so far in the whatever spin zone that I don’t think it matters what I say so… take care I guess.

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