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Mexico calls for dissolution of the Organization of the Americas

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I'd be a lot happier if he was calling for the revocation of NAFTA but that would mean a lot of US manufacturers that have outsourced to Mexico would be faced with the quandry of whether or not to move production back to the USA or to accept high cross-border transit fees imposed by Mexico (which is probably what a Mexican exit from NAFTA would entail).

Then there's the sheer volume in trade of Mexico's agriculture and fossil fuel sectors across the border, most of which takes place under some provision of NAFTA or other. I recall hearing claims that crude oil is shipped to Mexico at present (under the 2015 revocation of the 1970s-era ban on crude oil exports from the USA, which may be playing a partial role in current high gas prices). However, I've also hear refined products are shipped back to the USA from Mexico, not sure about that.

Probably just political posturing.

NAFTA was replaced in 2020.

"In September 2018, the United States, Mexico, and Canada reached an agreement to replace NAFTA with the United States–Mexico–Canada Agreement (USMCA), and all three countries had ratified it by March 2020."

But ultimately it was mostly just a name change to help trump's ego. The actual agreement is mostly the same, and people mostly still informally refer to it as NAFTA

NAFTA is a weird political thing, it has some parallels with the EU.

Seems like everyone hates it, in a vague and confusing sort of way, because if they started getting factual or specific the cognitive dissonance might kill them.

If you want to force American corporations to fund a better life for American working class people that's a great and noble goal.

Weird that it only seems popular in some places if you can wrap it up with xenophobia somehow, which then prevents you voting for the people who agree with your goals.

> NAFTA is a weird political thing, it has some parallels with the EU.

Nothing weird about it and it's nothing like the EU.

> Seems like everyone hates it, in a vague and confusing sort of way,

No. It's rather specific. It's shifting manufacturing to cheaper locations and costing america jobs and industry.

> Weird that it only seems popular in some places if you can wrap it up with xenophobia somehow, which then prevents you voting for the people who agree with your goals.

It's popular everywhere there are sensible people. Unfortunately, there isn't a lot of sensible people and capital will always win against labor and the people.

Googled Mexico and Turkey and not surprisingly there has recently been a lot of developments between those countries. They are even 2 letters in MIKTA where 3 others are Indonesia, South Korea and Australia - an interesting organization that i've never noticed before. The Turkey has in the last less than a decade practically become a regional superpower playing pretty independent wrt. global superpowers. Looks like Mexico is starting on that way too as it seems to have sufficient potential for that. In particular similar to Turkey informally building an alliance of and attracting smaller powers in the region, Mexico has the ability to do that for smaller powers in the Americas which may perceive themselves (whether reasonably so or mistakenly - isn't that important) as being bullied around by superpowers like US.

Geopolitics are really interesting, these decisions are always more than they seem at first.

What is the actual reason for this? What is Mexico looking for?

Maybe is just a way to put pressure and push for more near shoring investment?

It is not Mexico. It is the current president. He is a narcissist that is always looking for his own interests. He is creating conflict because that is what he is good at. Then he will play the victim. He is not looking for the country's interests.

Could you provide some examples to demonstrate this behaviour over time?

Sure. There is an endless list.

He attempted to jail one of his main opposition rivals. This turned out to be a total fabrication by the Government. It was later admitted. https://apnews.com/article/business-mexico-58710438781b6e3b9...

He tried to distract attention from media asking Spain to apologize when it was discovered that his son was living in a house property of a high executive of a company that has contracts with Pemex. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-spain/mexican-pres...

He was one of the last presidents to congratulate Biden when he won the presidency. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/mexico-s-president-one-l...

He is threatening not to attend the cumbre of las Americas asking for Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua to attend. Something that is politically imposible for Biden to agree on. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/americas-summit-agen...

He accused legislators that voted against his bill of being traitors. https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/mexican-president-cas...

He visited Trump to help him with the Mexican Vote in the US election https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-mexico-president-trum...

He cancelled the construction of the new Mexico city Airport project which was going to be one of the most important regional hubs. The project was 30% and the cancellation cost 5 billions USD. He alleged corruption but nothing has come out of it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Texcoco_Airport

This is misleading.

He attempted to jail one of his main opposition rivals. This turned out to be a total fabrication by the Government. It was later admitted.

The Attorney general office is independent from the govt the president did not tried to incarcerate him. The reason he was looked for interrogation, not apprehension, was after another high level official part of the odebretch bribery scheme and currently apprehended accused him of taking part in the same scheme, something that is very real, while the accusations are yet to be verifies, Anaya WAS implicated in pushing for an energy reform that was designed by corrupted officials at the request of a foreign international company. I dont want to waste my time with your other "examples" i am a Mexican and against López Obrador, but you seem like an average reactionary troll with no true conception of Mexican and Latin American history.

> The Attorney general office is independent from the govt the president did not tried to incarcerate him.

Ah the AG. Who is highly corrupt too and used his power to jail his brotherś political family for a personal vendetta. We have the audios too. There is an endless list for him too.

> Anaya WAS implicated in pushing for an energy reform ...

Because he was a legislator and that was his job. Besides the accusation came from a protected witness that would say anything to stay out of jail. And it turned out to be false.

> i am a Mexican and against López Obrador, but you seem like an average reactionary troll with no true conception of Mexican and Latin American history.

For the record, I am a progressive, social democrat. But I am against corrupt liars like Lopez Obrador and his mafia.(Pio, Napito, Barlett, Gertz, etc, etc, etc.)

This is posturing, 100%. The OAS is a useless hindrance to the project of American integration, but AMLO doesn't really care about that, he's just following the populist playbook of making ever more absurd public statements as a façade for policy failures at home.

What do you mean by "political failures"? All polls show him as the most popular Mexican president of the last decades, even facing strong opposition from the 1% and the mainstream media. I am sure he is not perfect and has made mistakes, but much less than the others.

The problem is the continued fascist interventions (driven by US fascist interests) in Latin American countries, with almost 80% control over the latest decades. Now with a short-time non-fascist in the lead of one of their major countries, he took the step forward to come up with a better representation of their interests. Which does include Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, Cuba. This goes on since the 60ies.

But the CIA aligned countries do have the majority, so it will not lead to anything. Philip Agee "Inside the Company: CIA Diary"

To boost the president popularity and his party. Major elections happened three days later.

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