I think that part is fair enough.
But reading between the lines, factory workers are expected to do more than 40 hours a week? That's less fair.
But reading between the lines, factory workers are expected to do more than 40 hours a week? That's less fair.
The ford motor company bargain was 8 hours of work, 8 hours of life, 8 hours of rest and a middle class lifestyle. The tesla motor company bargain is…? Seems like mediocre to bad pay, 12 hours of work, 6 hours of life, 6 hours of sleep? Yeah, i’d be unionizing if I was a tesla worker.
Sure, they should unionize if they want. Seems like most are pretty happy with the job though.
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Tesla/salaries?job_category=manuf...
And $63k/year is mediocre at best. It’s below the national median, and I’d be willing to bet if you adjust for cost of living near most of the locations where tesla workers work, it’s worse than “near average”
As for if the workers there like it?
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/06/10/tesla-employee-satisfact...
> At jobs site Glassdoor, Tesla's overall company rating fell to 3.2 out of 5.0 stars based on reviews written in the first quarter from a high of 3.6 in 2017
A high of 3.6 isn’t exactly a enthusiastic endorsement. Toyota has a 4.0, Ford has a 4.1.
According to this[1] the median is $19.33/hr, so Tesla is not far off. It's above with overtime.
[1] https://policyadvice.net/insurance/insights/average-american...
If you want to work 60 hours a week at your FAANG or startup job, that's your choice (though that choice does have an impact in terms of the expectations within the industry) - but you're probably being paid 2x-5x so you're well rewarded for your time.
That seems unusual compared to how most hourly jobs are run. Lots of people are happy to take overtime when it's available. Never seen anything that says 60hrs per week is mandatory all the time.
So straight from the horses mouth the expectation is somewhere over 40. No mention of that being a “sometimes” situation.
https://www.glassdoor.com/FAQ/Tesla-Question-FAQ200052-E4312...
“Insane work hours for everyone, no overtime pay”
“Starting hourly pay is essentially poverty wage in the Bay Area and you only get overtime pay after 10 hours, not 8 hours like you would think.”
“Occasionally is fine, but 12 - 14 hours a day five days a week is not safe especially considering we work with electricity”
Too many quotes to that effect to list them all. Universally they say: overtime starts at 10 hours not eight, there is a lot of it (i didn’t see any comment citing overtime under 60 hours), and it’s mandatory.
There are 19 other numbers between 40 and 60. How do you reach the conclusion that since it's more than 40, it must necessarily be exactly 60 all the time for every employee?
> “Insane work hours for everyone, no overtime pay”
> you only get overtime pay after 10 hours, not 8 hours like you would think.
It sounds like these are salaried positions and they are not entitled to any overtime pay. If they were talking about hourly positions they would be getting time-and-half from 41 hours on, because that's the law. The fact that they're getting any overtime pay at all in a salaried position is more than most companies do and is beyond what is required by law.
From the Department of Labor website:
> Nonexempt workers must be paid overtime pay at a rate of not less than one and one-half times their regular rates of pay after 40 hours of work in a workweek.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/compliance-assistance/handy...
So, there's no way the overtime after 10+ applies to non-exempt employees.
> It’s below the national median.
For household maybe, I think median individual median is much lower. I know many college educated individuals who say they’d kill for $60k. Most of them are probably in the $35k-$45k range working office positions that require education for some reason.
And remember - $63k a year was just a number that the comment I was replying to floated. $19/hour is $38k / year - you only get above that by sacrificing over 40 hours of your life every week to the company, and Tesla doesn't pay overtime until +10 hours.
...for salaried employees, where they aren't required to pay any overtime at all.
non-exempt employees have to be paid overtime after 40 hours by law.
In the USA: Fremont, California - Lathrop, California - Grand Rapids, Michigan - Storey County, Nevada - Buffalo, New York - Brooklyn Park, Minnesota - Elgin, Illinois - Austin, Texas
> This is less than we ask of factory workers
Implies it's maybe not so optional
Non-exempt workers have to get overtime after 40 hours.