Amazon's Profit Plunges 73%
online.wsj.com
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Note that Amazon's overall Revenues are up 44%
Less sensational, more nuts and bolts article http://www.marketwatch.com/story/amazoncom-announces-third-q...
That said, the buck should eventually stop at Free Cash Flow to prove shareholder value, which is then paid as dividend or invested sensibly.
Source is Business Wire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Wire
"Business Wire is a company that disseminates full-text news releases from thousands of companies and organizations worldwide to news media, financial markets, disclosure systems, investors, information web sites, databases and other audiences"
Does the press have an incentive to talk about the plunge in profits? Yes
Does the company itself have an incentive to spin things by touting increased revenues? Yes
Compare: http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=176060&p=iro...
IAS 2[1] states "inventories shall be measured at the lower of cost and net realizable value", which is exactly what you said.
IAS is the International Accounting Standards, which is what pretty much all accounts meet. Inventories mean stock. Net realizable value means what you can get for them. US GAAP covers this as well (though I can't find a reference right now).
Showing your inventory at $20 per unit, when you can only expect to make $15 per unit selling them, would be overestimating the value of your stock. A competent auditor wouldn't sign off on your accounts like that.
[1] (http://www.icaew.com/en/library/subject-gateways/accounting-...)
(from a trainee accountant)
The cost of constructing the new Kindles is still booked, just under a different part of the book. Once the devices are sold, the amount changes from an asset to a liability.
FYI, once it's sold, it's neither an asset or a liability - it's no longer reflected on the company's balance sheet. The revenue and COGS show up on the income statement, and may also be reflected on the cash flow statement. But they're off the balance sheet.
"Very importantly, we are willing to be misunderstood for long periods of time.... I believe if you don’t have that set of things in your corporate culture, then you can’t do large-scale invention. You can do incremental invention, which is critically important for any company. But it is very difficult — if you are not willing to be misunderstood. People will misunderstand you."
An online store buying stock and building infrastructure !!!!! Crazy , they should be borrowing money and paying themselves bonuses before going bust - that's what Wall St wants
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-20114722-93/amazon-kindle-f...
In other words, no-one really knows, but it looks like they're probably closer to breaking even than chugger claims. Chugger is taking the worst-case estimate here, and also the one that seems the most unsubstantiated.
Thanks for the link.
If Sony had cottoned onto this strategy, Beta would have been the worldwide video standard and they would have been paid back massively in royalties.
Shifting hardware at a loss to lock in consumers is the oldest trick in the book. Nowhere is it more important than when introducing a new technology and a new way of working. I can see that in 10 years time a Kindle will be almost free.
http://www.joystiq.com/2008/12/01/forbes-nintendo-making-6-p...
So Nintendo was the only manufacturer who did not apply the "razorblade" model of the other console makers, which is understandable since they were and are a videogame company only and thus never had any other branches which could have been able to subsidize their console business in the beginning (unlike for example Microsoft).
I think the first console Nintendo made that actually sold at a loss is the current 3DS handheld and that may be after the very fast initial price cut after the slow reception on the market.
Nintendo, meanwhile, couldn't keep Wii in stock for more than half a day until something like 2 years after launch, so they could have raised the price about $100 and not lost a sale
People are talking like this is a good move by bezos. It's not.
Once you setup your account on your Kindle, it is 1-click purchasing to get yourself a new book.
Sure, you might shop around for an ebook, but most people aren't going to. They'll just search on the Kindle, click the 'yes I want it' button, and you're finished. Total platform lock-in. Tech people might get sniffy but to the average person it's like going from vinyl to iPod.
There are two Kindles in this household. Since their arrival, the yearly book spend has probably tripled. Previously most reading was re-reading older books and taking trips to book exchanges.
All this is possible with other platforms, yes, but the Kindle is just the physical part of an entire delivery system. The margins on ebooks has to be better than print by an order of magnitude, even though the price is lower.
"Well, since Moore's law makes computation really cheap, let's just give away the computation, but keep the data."[1]
Some estimates(read:guesses) think that 50% of kindle users will subscribe to to amazon prime. Prime users are extremely loyal to amazon, do all their online shopping in amazon and use brick and mortar shops much less than before signing with prime.They tend to buy 3x-4x than before, in amazon.
Prime is a very hard service to provide. It requires a big and expensive logistics chain. It's a monopoly level competitive advantage. It can make amazon a monopoly in the range of walmart (maybe).
Also the kindle fire is a great advertising unit. Better than TV - because the ads can be much more targeted, And you can buy with a single click from the ad.
Combine the two, and amazon gets almost total control of the customer.
And given Bezos's brilliance that's probably only the tip of the iceberg.
So what's a little discount on a little gadget to get all of this ?
And like most chicken-and-egg questions, the answer is both and neither.
As someone who has spent far too much time puttering around brick-and-mortar stores recently, before walking away in disgust and just buying it on Amazon, I can't help but think Amazon is just spending to widen an already vast competitive edge.
This isn't apples versus oranges. This is sailboat versus steamboat.
Yes, the 50% is high, but people who tried prime are really , really happy with it, so maybe 50% makes sense.
And yes, it's definitely cars vs horses.
Their policy for the other Kindles was to recover the R&D initially and then sell them at not much more than cost.
First, you need to prove beyond any doubt that the Fire is being sold at a loss. Once you know this, set up some dummy stores and invest the billions of dollars you have laying around in buying as many as you can. Once you have them, put them all in a compactor. Make sure each one is destroyed without anyone having laid a finger on it. See how long Amazon can sell these things at a loss without making anything from them.
The company is reinvesting some of its earnings back into the business, rather than using those profits simply to reward shareholders. It's a long-term move, and Wall Street analysts these days seem wholly incapable of thinking further out than a quarter or two.
There's a lot to hate about Amazon. Apparently, it's a totally caustic work environment, that's only making money because Bezos is such a brilliant strategist.
Like A/B testing everything, before it was popular.
Like telling everyone they need web APIs for everything they do, and will be fired if they use non-web APIs to other team's apps. Way to shove SOA down people's throats! The pay-off is modular systems.
EC2. Margins will drop, but he'll make money on up-selling special Amazon services.
My experience has been the opposite, that a deviant subculture can't survive for long and is eventually rejected by the host.
(And to answer my sarcastic comment, the innovation is "order from your suppliers and have them ship directly to the customer, then you don't need warehouses". But the reason people pay Amazon's prices is because the item shows up at their house the same day they buy it, which means that 1990s mail-order model doesn't work anymore. Investors shouldn't be allowed to invest until they've purchased at least one product from Amazon.)
Seriously. My wife gets Amazon Prime for free through school. Within the first month I was looking for the best opportunity to buy stock. The service is quite literally amazing, and handing it out free to students is just damn genius. That's just one small thing on top of all the other things they do really well at.
If this is a cold hard face, wouldn't someone factor that in when making the "estimate" or does "estimate" now have a new meaning?
Amazon creates 20,000 jobs, and Wall Street responds with a 12% drop in stock price.
Eg. Buying a new warehouse does not decrease profits (but it will of course affect your cash). Blue-sky R&D is also recorded as an asset (and depreciated as normal).
At least, that's what I was taught as a trainee accountant. Though I've learnt in practice that things are reclassified for tax purposes. Lower profits mean lower tax after all.
For start though, the deprecation policy itself can be changed. So as long as there is a note in the accounts giving some justification, I can say "I am not depreciating these assets". This is a crude way to manipulate depreciation and generally any competent auditor would flag it.
Buying a new warehouse for example you generally wouldn't depreciate at all (usually holding it at cost and revaluing it every so often). So apportion all costs relating to buying the warehouse (including cost of machinery in the warehouse, connecting it to your IT network, legal and admin work) as a one line item Fixed Asset: Warehouse, and you just avoided all depreciation. (It will still be shown on the accounts, but doesn't touch the income statement.)
Or you can decide to put it as a 5-year rolling investment as you put it and you're charging 20% depreciation.
Or you can decide that this investment is not a one-off thing and is part of the core business (perhaps you're buying warehouses all the time). So then you can charge the whole lost as an expense.
I suppose my point (back to the topic) is that Amazon's profits have gone down largely because of how Amazon's accountants have decided the best way of presenting their investment costs in their accounts. It makes sense to reduce book profits as that reduces your taxes. (Generally true, though I know in UK corporation tax calculations we don't take into account depreciation for the very reason that its manipulatable). A profit dive is especially fine if you have continued impressive revenue growth to point to and can claim that these investments are clearly worth it. Nobody is going to claim that Amazon is in serious trouble.
where were you when i needed that trick?
It seems to me that Bezos is making long term investments.
Anybody that thinks differently should short this stock. We'll talk in 24 months ;)