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Java Has a New Website

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15 pointsjesprenj24 comments

The website is almost empty on mobile but still takes 3 seconds to load and I get a white screen while its loading. How did everyone get so bad at web development?

It seems like java.com is powered by https://www.oracle.com/content-management/

After the page is loaded some JavaScript loads the actual page content via a REST API. While this takes place you are looking at a white screen.

Eating your own Oracle food.

The moment people with 0 technical background started to make technical decisions.

SPAs are a problem literally _everywhere_: When all you have is a sledgehammer, everything is a rusty nail just waiting to be pounded sideways and abandoned for someone else to fix.

A website design that perfectly captures how programmers feel about Java. Unremarkable, bland, corporate, boring. No passion, no feeling of progress. Just boring old Java being boring old Java.

Microsoft's .NET site is far more appealing - https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/

The Microsoft .NET site is so much noise. Maybe it’s all relevant. Maybe all the information I need Is on that page. But shit there’s a point where simple IS better. If I’m going to Java.com it’s for 2 reasons: to download the JDK or look at documentation. The simplicity of the site gets out of my way to do just that.

IDK why .NET site is also extremely... Microsofty. A lot of buttons that I never want to click.

Rust or Go sites are more appealing. https://www.rust-lang.org/ https://go.dev/

Python one seems more dated. https://www.python.org/

Don't know about you, but I personally want Java and the JVM to be boring. It's a foundation for some systems I use like a TI embedded programming IDE based on Eclipse and my use of Clojure. I want it to do its job with as little excitement as possible.

When people say they want boring tech what they usually mean is something along the lines of "stable", "predictable" and perhaps without change for the sake of change.

The java website to me is more boring in the sense of soulless and corporate.

The new java.com site isn't just boring, its bad. It looks like a domain parking page. With so little content it manages to use two different font stacks and 6 different font sizes.

I think part of the problem is that they haven't given up on Java.com being a consumer website. From https://www.java.com/en/download/help/whatis_java.html

> Java.com, this website, is intended for consumers who may still require Java for their desktop applications

This is what I got:

  This site https://www.java.com/en/ is experiencing technical difficulty. We are aware of the issue and are working as quick as possible to correct the issue.

  We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused.

  To speak with an Oracle sales representative: 1.800.ORACLE1.

  To contact Oracle Corporate Headquarters from anywhere in the world: 1.650.506.7000.

  To get technical support in the United States: 1.800.633.0738.
 

 

  Incident Number: 18.a78d4017.1653908207.1bf41725

Incident Number: 18.a78d4017.1653908207.1bf41725

That's no number...

Finally a change, the old one looked like a phishing website to download a malware

However, this new one looks very amateurish, it's very ugly, and still doesn't inspire confidence

There are a lot of really neat things in Java that other languages lack, but you wouldn't know looking that website. These frameworks take the language to the next level and can iterate independently of the core language.

* CDI 2.0/3.0 (OpenWebBeans / Weld)

* Junit5

* Mockito

* Microprofile

* Quarkus

* Graal

Maven/Gradle are also very polished compared to whats available in other language ecosystems (To this day, no analog exists for C/C++).

I very much enjoy using the language and ecosystem.

And it doesn't allow you to select which java version to download.

Blank page with uBlock Origin.

Because it uses 3rd party JS from orecdn.oraclecloud.com.

I don't think uBlock Origin has a blanket 3rd party block standard as part of any of the normal lists or settings. Running uBlock Origin here and it loads. Do a lot of sites break with 3rd party blocking?

This is just the consumer website for people downloading the plugin.

I love how the landing page features "Uninstall help".

Reminds me of "goto fail" somehow.

Loving how Uninstallation is a top level user flow Oracle advertises. Lowered expectation . I suppose that's what casual users need most often?

"Uninstall help"

Yep perfect landing page and ad

It sure does. A blank page here on iOS.

Requires 3rd party JS.

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