Britain should scrap its online safety bill
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Anyway expecting a strong principled freedom stance out of this gov is not paying attention to how these guys roll
[1] https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/28/boris-johns...
[2] https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/consultation-on-...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolingian_monetary_system#Un...
The Guinea coin is no longer legal tender and it is not a unit of currency
Livestock sales are priced in Guineas as a convention
> Bids are still made in guineas for the sale of racehorses at auction, at which the purchaser will pay the guinea-equivalent amount but the seller will receive only that number of pounds. The difference (5p in each guinea) is traditionally the auctioneer's commission (which thus, effectively, amounts to 5% on top of the sales price free from commission).
Now, it’s not about “stick your head in the sand”, so much as it is realising that on both sides of the aisle you’re reading from the same script - the same paradigm, the same dichotomy of stay or go, the same stage and set dressing. Your protests are expected, appreciated, and necessary, as they further the narrative, and deepen his power - because power flows from narrative, from the ideas which you accept as “just is” within the story, as it doesn’t make sense without them - never mind that it’s all a fantastical fabrication.
This is how kings are made. Johnson has been telling a particular story for a while now, in which he becomes king. It gave him vast popularity in the run up to the mayoral election (apt control of narrative is commonly called charisma), and from there, he’s been punting the same can down the road whilst we all chase it like rabid dogs.
This only ends when a better, stronger narrative comes along - and nobody in any position to challenge him has it.
Labour own a narrative in which they stumble onwards, tripping on their scabbard as they scramble up the dusty ramparts of Fort Johnson, and are stuck in it, as they mistake their narrative for their reality.
For instance, they initially approached the antisemitism debacle by treating it as a valid issue - they played whackamole with the press on it, and it kept the story (“Labour are antisemites”) prime in the public mind. The whole thing has been rather quiet lately, because they changed tactics, are are hiding from that narrative and are hoping it will wither away. It might - but it only takes an ember to rekindle a bonfire.
Rather, they should be getting ahead of the story, and should pick on, oh, I don’t know, the greens, kick off a rumour that they’re a Masonic cabal of drag queen drug lords and make them defend it, and drag the Tories into that mess. The crazier and broader the accusations the better - grapeshot gives a lot of holes to patch, and distracts from the one which hit below the waterline. Play it right and you make everyone remember that it was the Tories that started it, as labour smearing the greens makes no sense. Punching up and doing minor damage makes you look weak and petty, punching down and demolishing an innocent makes you look strong. Children understand this - the world is a schoolyard.
I wrote a little while back about narrative control as being the thing which divides the ruling classes from the consumer classes - I went to a similar school to Johnson, and the main thing you’re taught, albeit largely unwittingly (you have to follow the lessons which aren't spoken), is how to dominate narrative.
So, you want Johnson gone, you need either events to run roughshod over his constructed reality, and that would take something very substantial - or you need a greater master of human reality.
Thing is, as long as the techniques of narrative control remain the domain of the elite, passed on to their children through expensive institutions and family neuroses that spread mimetically through the affected population, the leaders will continue to be from the same caste. Occasionally someone from the outside stumbles over the alchemy of mind control, and they do things with it, often involving gas and guillotines, but it’s the exception, not the rule, and from the perspective of the entrenched ruling classes reinforces the need to gatekeep.
So. Johnson will likely one day go, but the disease that allows Johnson will remain until the next revolution.
I really think this is a media bubble perspective. Most people aren’t engaged with politics - certainly not to the extent that they become obsessed with the prime minister. The media constantly talk about him because that’s just what they do.
And I also think the voting population aren’t the sheeple you’re painting them as. They don’t vote Tory because they love Boris. They vote Tory knowing that the personal failings of the leader have very little bearing on getting the policies that they want passed. “Hold your nose and vote conservative” works both sides of the Atlantic.
Also it comes with a package of other nebulous abstract words and phrases, as you've exemplified "the domain of the elite", "that spread mimetically", "the alchemy of mind control", "entrenched ruling classes reinforces the need to gatekeep".
This is just bad writing. If you have said anything it's embedded in so much verbal dross I can't be bothered to extract it. I suspect it could have been said in a few sentences.
It’s basically the story being told. The way to understand it is that politicians and the media have a millions things they could discuss that are relevant to the voters.
What’s interesting is NOT what they talk about. It’s what’s they don’t talk about. And if you actually follow what they say over time it’s starts to become clear pretty quickly.
And it’s not a conspiracy or some secret - I’ve been in the room of a Fortune 50 PR meeting where they discuss the “narrative”.
It’s usually “we only want to talk about X which makes us look good. We don’t want to talk about Y. Y makes us look bad, so if someone mentions Y, use this response to steer it back to X”.
A good narrative example was the Hunter Biden laptop. The narrative was "this is suspected Russian disinformation". Absolutely zero proof it was, but that didn't matter, just keep dropping phrases like "this has all the signs of a Russian operation". Instead of the content in the laptop or hell, even the story about the laptop, the news covers the Russian conspiracy side. That entire narrative was spun out of thin air, the laptop was Hunter Biden's.
There are often good example of narratives being broken, and what you see is suddenly a narrative is dropped entirely and another takes it's place. If you're paying attention you'll suddenly notice some news story has completely disappeared from public discussion almost as if it never happened.
The one big benefit of the internet is how easy it is to follow public statements now. It's much harder to say something at a press conference, have it on Twitter, then deny it the next week. Doesn't stop politicians from trying though.
[1] It's a shame that 'one' has dropped out of use in this context, it does sound so absurd and archaic, but 'you' can be mistaken for 'specifically you' so I hope one will forgive me here.
Wouldn't "as long as the techniques of narrative control remain the domain of the elite..." be better expressed as "while the elite use misinformation..." and perhaps ask what it is about the plebs that they'll accept being played? (if they are, which is semi-contentious).
Curious, on which specific interesting points are you referring to.
Maybe your criticism is less about this writer than about the imprecision of written language as a communication tool generally. In which case, bear in mind firstly that the writer is writing a quick post on a forum, not for a scientific journal. Also that imprecise language may seem imprecise to you, but may encapsulate broader meaning for others. Alternatively, a particular piece of writing might just poorly transmit meaning which itself is valuable. For example, I find Slavoj Zizek to be incomprehensible. But when he is well edited or I have read secondary texts, I have found his insights to be revelatory.
> Curious, on which specific interesting points are you referring to.
He introduced me to Baudrillard, around whom my early explorations are proving to be well worthwhile. See this for an intro: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1Yxg2_6_YLs&feature=youtu.be
So within us is the ability to sculpt narrative, to essentially deceive through attention manipulation or information selection, and also the response to that deception (anger, denial, pushback) - as they’re cultural ying and yang, the immune response and the illness.
It drives war when opposing stories clash, so great is the response that the wrong story, of which the story of stories is absolutely one, can evoke.
Anyway. I expect to be disagreed with. I may well be wrong and suffering under my own illusions - but my lived experience is that a good story is everything human.
The fictitious narrative of free will could be the most potent narrative of all.
> but my lived experience is that a good story is everything human
I’m interested in the mechanisms by which narratives are conjured and mind control (this is too crude an expression for my liking but I don’t yet have anything better) asserted. Use of rhetoric, in combination with written and visual media are very powerful. This is well known. But the most powerful narrative web I believe can be created through the mechanism of introjection, where we don’t question our actions because this is simply what we see everyone else doing.
My underlying interest, I think, is the nature of reality. Peeling back the fictions of our own creation is a necessary ongoing part of that investigation.
>Rather, they should be getting ahead of the story, and should pick on, oh, I don’t know, the greens, kick off a rumour that they’re a Masonic cabal of drag queen drug lords and make them defend it, and drag the Tories into that mess. The crazier and broader the accusations the better - grapeshot gives a lot of holes to patch, and distracts from the one which hit below the waterline. Play it right and you make everyone remember that it was the Tories that started it, as labour smearing the greens makes no sense. Punching up and doing minor damage makes you look weak and petty, punching down and demolishing an innocent makes you look strong. Children understand this - the world is a schoolyard.
Multiple parts of this make no sense, but one thing that stands out is that it doesn't make sense for the Tories to pick on the Greens either.
It isn’t necessarily about what makes sense, in a rational and deterministic fashion, rather what the stochastic outcomes of an action are. When you’re dealing with mass sentiment, the right move is often deeply counterintuitive, and you have to pretty much be a sociopath to execute adroitly. Demagoguery is a case in point of the veracity of this.
I think, however, that you are redirecting because you aren't in fact able to explain how it would help Labour to spread crazy rumors about the Green Party. The Greens have a single MP. To a first approximation, no-one cares about any scandal involving the Greens – even if the scandal is true. If anything, it would make more sense for Labour to attack the Greens than it would for the Tories, as very few voters vacillate between the Tories and the Greens.
Now they can also delete statements that become inconvenient. Or stealthily edit them.
There has been no greater exponent of this mind control than Churchill: from “inside” not “outside” and he killed A LOT of people. Less of course than Stalin and Hitler. But still many. My point is that it doesn’t matter who wields the power, gas and guillotines may follow.
What story has he been telling exactly? Every time I hear him speak or read what he said, he comes across as an incoherent bumbling clown [0] [1].
[0] https://www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-brits-should-r...
[1] https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/no-press-here-uk-pm-boris-jo...
Reminds me very much of the Horse in Hospital we had here in the US for a few years (https://decider.com/2018/05/03/john-mulaney-kid-gorgeous-hor...).
The antisemitism story became huge because it was seized upon by Corbyn's enemies who realised that it was an effective weapon against him. You cannot understand this story if you think in terms of the party as a unified force.
In my view he was a good and integral man, somewhat guileless, and therefore utterly, utterly unsuited for politics - and he got eaten alive resultantly.
Could you post a link? Can't find it and am just watching the Queens 70th Jubilee service which I think is pertinent ! thanks
Why don't you cite the specific example then and we can discuss it.
> Honestly would if really surprise anyone at this point?
The intellectual dishonesty to use this as an argument is staggering.
However, as someone in the UK, the corruption that went on here with regards to PPE and many other government contracts is widely known and just a google search away.
Sorry - but your faux outrage concerning intellectual dishonesty reads as exactly that ...
That people speculate cynically over the actions of the current government is directly a result of the mistrust they have grown in the electorate. Reap it.
Oh, the irony!
Top result for [1]
[1] https://www.google.com/search?q=a+Tory+member's+family+was+r...
You are asking for evidence for something which hasn't happened yet. Obviously nobody can provide that evidence. How could they? The comment you are responding to was obviously worded as a speculation about a future event.
Latter on the thread you are asking for something else. Evidence for some other example.
> Why don't you cite the specific example then and we can discuss it.
Your wish is my command. Let me catch you up on the specifics:
https://www.transparency.org.uk/sites/default/files/pdf/publ...
Page 20: "In total, we count at least 73 contracts relating to the COVID-19 response between February and November 2020, worth over £3.7 billion, whose awards merit further investigation. Mapping all of these contracts against data from TED, we notice that by volume and value, most of the questionable contracts were awarded during the same heightened period of activity between March and June 2020 as mentioned above (see Graph 5). The majority of these by volume (65) and by value (£2.9 billion) were contracts for PPE equipment; 24 of which worth £1.6 billion went to those with known political connections to the party of government in Westminster. A further three contracts worth £536 million also went to politically connected companies for testing related services. We note there are additional contracts awarded to politically connected companies relating to communications and research services, although these were published after our last data extraction from TED on 30 November 2020."
To avoid confusion, and because it seems you are naïve to the UK political situation I would like to mention that when the report says "political connections to the party of government in Westminster" that refers to the Tory party. Just mentioning because clearly you are not up to date on the recent events.
No it wasn't, it was a statemet of specific fact. It was not phrased as speculation.
The government gave a contract to pretty much anyone who said they could supply PPE. A false emergency narrative was crafted to chuck procurement procedures out the window. Clapped on by catastrophists.
Complaining about people like Randox who were one of the only companies in the country with facilities to build covid tests getting a contract to manufacture covid tests is beyond inane.
[2] TV stations are dead. Sell them all.
The danger is they're not dead, they're alive and well with a large part of a voting population.
Terrible idea.
As is [1]. Let's spend money for no reason, and also it makes it harder to integrate with the outside world, where the money London needs to launder is
(Free depends whether you view the license fee as a tax, and whether the free license for pensioners is costed).
The main reason to sell it is simply a question of "is it fulfilling a societal good unavailable via a private enterprise". If not, the Government has no place owning it imo.
I can twist my logic to argue charging for the channel with requirement for Public Service Content costs money etc, but would be dishonest xD
They use a public resource (the radio spectrum) to broadcast television, in exchange for access to this spectrum the government sets requirements on what they can broadcast and so they are not simply ordinary for-profit companies.
If you think back to the last time you heard about the Eurovision Song Contest, the reason Eurovision exists is PSBs. The right to broadcast TV in European countries is held by a large number of distinct PSBs. The reason the ESC has weird breaks in it, if you watch it as a pristine video rather than from a source which makes that obvious, is that it's intended to be broken up with lots of commercials in most countries where - just like a US network, the PSBs are actually for-profit entities just under constraint of law because they use this scarce public resource.
Most of the Eurovision members have requirements on proportion of local content (no trouble in the US, but a for-profit Greek company may find English language sitcoms bought from North America, Britain or Australia are cheaper than making their own), news or current affairs coverage (the actual news isn't profitable since you can get that anywhere, so a profit seeking entity would rather not have a nightly hour-long news show), and children's programming (not very profitable in most European countries since advertising to children is very heavily constrained as kids are easy to manipulate).
"As of 2022, it breaks even in much the same way as most privately run commercial stations through the sale of on-air advertising, programme sponsorship, and the sale of any programme content and merchandising rights it owns, such as overseas broadcasting rights and domestic video sales. For example, as of 2012 its total revenues were £925 million with 91 per cent derived from sale of advertising."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_4
They get no money from the license fee, from taxes, nor from the government. Except when the government chooses to spend tax money buying and spaces on TV, which would be no different to private companies selling ads to government.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/amber-rudd-necessary-...
He was huge fan of the whole Rwanda idea too. Pure trash.
Engaging with people you disagree with on new topics is a good health check for your political views
If a good health check to my political views comes at the price of an awful mental health check, I’ll pass.
I will seek balanced views. Not a car salesman with the power to influence lives.
I've personally noticed a tone shift since the referendum towards stronger conservative views in the Telegraph and Times. This doesn't seem to be borne out in polling, but I wonder whether that is because the entire political discourse has shifted: - https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/is-the-daily-t...
Because the media are fairly non-central (particularly the right-leaning media), it's not very easy to find compromise. The stances taking by e.g. the Telegraph on transgender rights is fairly non-subtle. I don't think the rights of immigrants qualifies as a discussion where "it's just politics" applies. Since the referendum, the very core rights and institutions at the heart of the UK have been damaged and eroded, and that makes for conflict.
I think the context of with whom one is discussing really matters, and online for the most part, there is a strong in-group/out-group identity that makes it very hard to have reasonable discussions that don't dissolve into flame wars.
In person, I agree that it's good to be open minded and discuss things with people whose views you might usually not align with.
Indirectly related is the Paradox of Tolerance: that tolerance without limit is eventually destroyed by the intolerant.
But my remark is really about how, in almost 200 comments we've gotten distracted and almost entirely avoided dealing with the arguments on their merits.
While made of smart and sincere people, in-toto governments are idiots, and dishonest idiots at that. We can surely take that for granted. But they remain idiots because we, as citizens, fail to correct them. Have all the "experts", advisors, consultants, lobbyists, think-tanks, specialists and witch doctors not understood the first thing about the complex dynamics of strategic limitation of information hazards, scale, freedoms, or enforceability, to come up with such a blunt and naive bill? How can we "hackers" help them see better? Or do we also not understand, and the only solution that will prevail is "Shut it all down!"
This is the topic of the linked article.
While taxes on labour increase to finance this madness, while inflation skyrockets and the government sabotages the country’s supply chains and exacerbates the labour shortage to reach questionable immigration targets, some are still wondering why the UK has a productivity problem.
All countries tend to have polarisation around the topic of "immigration". Statistically the UK is one of the most welcoming and least racially prejudicing countries in the world. There are numerous independent studies and reports that you can find to support this. You do need to pay though; the visas and healthcare surcharges ain't cheap. The same as any top tier country though.
I assume you just mean the state pension here. Occupational pensions have long been a significant part of our pension system that tends to get ignored. The auto-enroll workplace pension introduced in 2008 seems to have been very successful too.
Overall, if I remember correctly, the UK actually has the second total pension assets in the OECD, and one of the highest per capita.
This was mitigated for a few decades with the import of foreign labor and automation, but presumably this is no longer happening at a sufficiently rapid rate to be able to prevent labor prices from rising. Also, who really wants to change bedpans?
So the political question is: Who in society is entitled to the decreasing amount of labor and how will it be divvied up?
I find it remarkable that this is the metaphor of choice, given that bedpans are merely the final remaining situation where chamber pots have not been replaced with mechanism-clearing flush toilets.
Besides, British pensions are lower because British pensioners paid much less pension contributions than other European pensioners.
It is a fact that the current government stance on Brexit is both exacerbating the labour shortage and damaging the country’s supply chains. And it would be totally disingenuous to claim that this doesn’t stem from an idiotic stance on migration from the EU, that has been part of the Conservative manifestos/programmes since at least 2008 and that lead to their last N electoral victories.
The British business oligarchy are now pretty keen to take Johnson down and replace him with starmer - the wages, inflation and supply chain damage has infuriated them. Hence the british medias obsession with boris's parties.
Which countries do you count as “top tier”? I migrated to Germany, I pay the same healthcare costs as anyone else here. I can’t remember exactly what my combined ID card and work permit cost, but it was a 2-digit number. I think naturalisation here is about a tenth the cost of the U.K. also.
The triple lock has been temporarily suspended (with the wages element removed, so becoming a double lock) for 2022-23. The government has repeatedly said, and it was re-stated again by Sunak just the other day, that after this year the triple-lock will be reinstated for the rest of the parliamentary term.
Critically, the consumer price index part of the lock is still in place, so pensions will still rise in line with inflation (as measured by CPI) in 2022-23.
There are indeed many indications of the UK being welcoming to foreigners relative to other countries For example, the UK government's recently announced plan to export refugees at great expense to Rwanda with seven days notice doesn't have majority support in any group except the pensioners the policy is designed to appeal to...
Income and national insurance (also income, not sure why it has a different name) has always made the lion's share.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/budget-2020-docum...
It serves the same role as the US social security scheme with a different accounting treatment.
(Does raise the question of whether student loan repayments, which are also linked to income unlike other loans, and have been called a "graduate tax" by some of their advocates, are also an income tax that applies only to people born after a particular date ...)
That and the fact that a graduate tax would at least have been predictable, unlike, say, the soaring interest rates on student debt at the moment.
Obviously from the economists outlook the UK business elites are skeptical, so at least there is some pushback from a group with clout.
The elderly voters are likely indifferent maybe even mildly positive but theyre not really pushing either way on this theyre being led by the nose.
People can also vote for people (MPs), who later renege on their promises.
Democracy is a mess, but be careful before disenfranchising your compatriots. If you succeed with that, 10 years down the line you may find out that someone managed to turn the same weapon against you. Politics is rotten enough as it is.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2021/05/how-uk-house-p...
If you're happy to accept mass migration, that's one of the effects as is bigger class sizes in schools, more traffic on roads and an overburdened NHS.
The BoE's mandate is particularly salient as it is for maintaining 2% inflation: the official measure of which excludes house prices and includes wages. It is very much the way it is by design.
"The population rate of increase has been pretty constant since 1945" is actually a problem. This kind of eternal increase is not sustainable on a smallish island whose northern and western half isn't very suitable for housing.
Great! When do we start?
What a very slanted view of old people to presume they dislike foriegners! As somebody who is close to 60 and with many old friends, I feel qualified to object to that blanket untruth. Honestly you will find most old people dislike the under 30's more than foriegners based upon my observations and experiences being part of this older demographic.
That all said, my faith in any goverment to address issues in technology is very much lost when they still can't manage to deal with and handle spam calls and texts, let alone emails. It's a crime of block and deny at best with no bite or drive to chase/track them down to the stage that society is normalised that it's a thing and you just deal with the effects instead of addressing the issues which is the root cause of most online fraud. Most know to spot and ignore such frauds early on, but enough do not and why it prevails.
But this isn't about one generation and whilst I find the whole flipped on the head "think of the children" angle amusing, it is not the case here and to distill it down to that ignored the real issues underlying here. Which is once again another poor solution to a poorly defined problem.
It is entirely possible to be pro-Tory and pro-Brexit while being anti-xenophobia. But the Conservatives have been carefully-mining the anti-foreigner vote for decades (as did New Labour) and it's not plausible to argue that Brexit would have won without that sentiment: it was too large a part of the expressed reasoning of Brexit voters as a group when polled.
Now the Tories have realized that they can spew bullshit lies and win an election with minimal consequences. They also have discovered how much easier it is to game the damn failing electoral system. (e.g. in Cam I have seen Tory pamphlets pushing for Lib Dems or Labour just to split the left vote).
It was a travesty that No won the AV referendum.
Notoriously, a few years ago a former advisor to Blair went on record to say that New Labour deliberately encouraged as much immigration as possible in order to "rub the Right's nose in diversity", and:
"He said Labour's relaxation of controls was a deliberate plan to "open up the UK to mass migration" but that ministers were nervous and reluctant to discuss such a move publicly for fear it would alienate its "core working class vote".
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/641845...
It's really difficult to reconcile this history with the ideas you're expressing above. Far from "carefully mining the anti foreigner vote for decades" they were explicitly undermining it by hiding the true extent of what they were doing.
So overall, I don't see deliberately increasing migration and deliberately using dehumanising rhetoric and policy changes against (some) immigrants to shore up electoral support as being at odds. The current government is strong on anti-tax rhetoric whilst presiding over heavy tax rises. Labour wanted immigration to keep wages low and increase growth. It also wanted the votes of people who wouldn't want that. So it did the former fairly quietly, while performatively stoking up the Home Office's capacity for villainy. So is modern politics.
(FWIW 'Floodgates' is itself somewhat dehumanising, I think: people aren't an undifferentiated mass threatening to overwhelm the boat, they're just people. 'Gates' would have done just fine.)
Ok, maybe the assumption of xenophobia is unwarranted, but restricting of immigration was one of the main selling points of Brexit.
Also, the point about age holds - under 45's voted heavily in favour of Remain (as did London, Scotland and Northern Ireland)
The bizarre bit is that they are also perfectly OK with immigration from the EU its the "other kind" (direct quote) of immigrants they don't want.
Edit: This is about 4 people in total so entirely possible its not representative.
It was a majority opinion of old people sure.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/1...
https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/12/how-britain-voted-and-...
The tory party has realigned itself since 2016 to the same values of the leave campaign, one heavily based on fear of foreigners
https://hyperallergic.com/310631/the-visual-propaganda-of-th...
The BSA31 performed in 2013 shows a strong age correlation with sentiments towards immigration: https://www.bsa.natcen.ac.uk/media/38190/bsa31_immigration.p...
The BSA34 in 2016 shows similar trends in the age distribution: https://www.bsa.natcen.ac.uk/media/39148/bsa34_immigration_f...
In 1979 it was 42/45 for under 25s - 7% below average, and 47/45 for over 55s, 5% over average.
in 1997, over 65s voted 36% Tory vs 31% nationally - 16% above average. Under 24s voted 27%, 13% below average.
In 2019, over 65s voted 64% Tory vs average 45%. That's 42% above average. Meanwhile under 25s voted 19% tory, 38% under average.
That's a massive increase in age polarisation in just 22 years and increasing even more over 40. That is not a good thing.
But for the country, well, you need a full chest of tools, the hammer, the saw etc, yet stuck with a political system that offers you a limited choice of tool to pick and you can only use that for 5 years. So you end up with a flip, flop with one party in power for a while, then the other. It's how it goes.
In our local council elections, less than 50% voted and even then, voting like many others was a political voice against the current goverment over who should help run their local council and services for the next 4 years. Which again is testiment into how little accountable voice and say in what goes on that we the public have.
Personaly I would love to see an end of the party system. All MP's independent and those elected can truely voice for who they represent. Those elected then amongst themselves elect a goverment and we get the best of the best. Certainly be more demoractic and representative.
This whole party system has past it's time it's just rabble rabble playground point scoring more than doing the job right by the people they represent. They take second place to the party, which is in many ways akin to football supporters of the 80's in many ways a reflection upon the supporters today if you view the twitter landscape.
Imagine if you got to vote upon somebody based upon what they could do for you and not some sense of fan for life team supporter blindly ticking a box without a care in the world.
Would the political system be any worse if we scrapped the party system and all MP's were independant and the goverment formed via a vote amongst those elected MP's - they could even have an enclave and coloured smoke if they want some pomp , though hard to change a system that by it's very nature would mean it's own demise as it is currently. A party based political system.
I'd be more interested in why those who don't vote, didn't bother? That's the real crime today in the political system. Whoever they vote, maybe they could change the law? But focus upon why they don't vote is probably key to a fairer democratic system. That is probably the most important thing. May well be many young people feel that none of the party's fit their needs. Well even a spoilt ballet is counted and that is democracy over not voting at all.
After all - was Richard Prior wrong in the film Brewsters Millions when he said vote none of the above! As you get older, and look at the larger picture you feel it's not far off the mark, more so at times than others.
But then, watching the House of Lords is in contrast to the commons a whole level of decorum and civility and discourse without any of that political party rabble rabble. So it does show, debate can be done civil in goverment, albeiet by a group of people who are not elected by the people! Which is probably a whole level of debate that scares me at this hour.
I guess one could also make arguments about the structure of the system which feels a bit more specific to the U.K. eg rural–urban constituency differences or FPTP.
Many of these people you now hold in contempt were once just the same as you are now and changed as they became older and wiser - just like you will.
Anyway, many voters quite literally spoke into camera saying directly that they voted leave to “stop Muslims” and things like this. If you point this out, or point out that all racists and extremist nationalists supported Brexit they’ll further deny and claim it’s just an extreme minority that doesn’t matter. Or they’ll say “what about antifa!” Or some other strange comment.
Anyway here’s one example of a voter clearly saying why they voted
Also Tory party voting is a minority in the uk. The uk “democracy” gives a party with 40% vote share absolute power and absolute parliamentary majority.
> ... the awkward fact that the sheer quantity of stuff posted to social media every minute means that most of the time, humans will not be making those judgments at all.
Why conflate that with free speech? Even if algorithmic moderation blocks some of your utterances, that doesn't mean your right to free speech has been violated. Social media have a detrimental effect on everything they touch, so why pick that hill to die on? Just for the money?
Its obviously true that if your comments or whatever are suppressed (by a machine) that your free speech has been violated!
What are rights again? Lol.
Freedom of speech is the freedom (from interference) of (your) speech. An algorithm interfering with speech is no less a violation than if a human does it.
Anyway, absolute freedom of speech doesn't exist and shouldn't exist. It's an insane idea.
It's not a technical point, it's a different point. I gave a slightly expanded definition of what is freedom of speech. You are now questioning whether freedom of speech is or should be a right, and if so, under what circumstances.
> If a journalist edits an interview, is that censorship?
That depends on whether they edited it to censor or not, as editing is not a synonym for censoring, nor for interfering. As the Oxford English dictionary helpfully states:
> interfere | ɪntəˈfɪə | > verb [no object] > 1 intervene in a situation without invitation or necessity > 2 (interfere with) prevent (a process or activity) from continuing or being carried out properly
If they edit for a good reason who could claim they were interfering or censoring?
> Anyway, absolute freedom of speech doesn't exist and shouldn't exist. It's an insane idea.
Should it exist in your own home?
Leting the left vs right apart, I strongly believe in free speech and I believe that Internet should be a free place for opinions. And it should be a free place for anything that doesn't break the criminal law.
But this last sentence is hard for maintaining freedom since every country is criminalizing different things and every country is going to try to control the Internet.
If we want some freedom of the Internet and avoid breaking the Internet in many controlled and censored national networks communicating to each other through gateways behind Great Firewalls, we should all come up with a set of rules enforceable at the international level. So, we can begin with some framework that only forbids selling weapons, drugs, forbid child pornography and anything that might help someone committing murders, committing theft and so on.