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The real story of Pinocchio

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Not wanting to sound dismissal, but as Italian the real story of Pinocchio is the original story of Collodi's Pinocchio, that we are told and we read since we are little kids.

We have old sayings like "the land of toys (il paese dei balocchi) does not exists' or "if you do not study you'll end up like Pinocchio and Lucifer transformed into a donkey" that are directly taken from the book.

Also, a very popular adaptation of Pinocchio made for television [1], directed by one of the greatest Italian directors of the renown Italian comedy genre of the time and which is probably the most popular adaptation here in Italy, surely the most accurate, is very blatant about the need for education.

p.s. the tv show musical theme was popularized in the 90s by a dance remix [2] that was then remixed in all sort of styles, including techno and gaber

When my father was very young he was friend with Nino Manfredi, who plays Geppetto. they were born in two houses two kms apart from each other.

[1] https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_avventure_di_Pinocchio_(m...

[2] https://youtu.be/97IYO-P1V18

You're gonna love this guy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buratino

Aleksey Tolstoy not only localized the story quite freely, but sneaked in jabs at other contemporary authors and poets.

Not wanting to sound dismissal, but as Italian the real story of Pinocchio is the original story of Collodi's Pinocchio

did you read the article? it talks about Collodi in the first sentence, says there is a new English translation... just not sure what version you might be sounding dismissive about

> did you read the article?

Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

To answer your question: yes, I've read it.

I guess you already know it, but the point wasn't that the article doesn't mention Collodi, but that the subtitle of the article

Forget what you know from the cartoon. The 19th-century story, now in a new translation, was a rallying cry for universal education and Italian nationhood

fails to mention that in Italy, where the Author and the story were born, it is a well known fact since our childhood.

Don't thank me.

John Hooper is also the Italian correspondent for The Economist.

Now I feel a bit nostalgic for life in Italy after reading that. So many beautiful places, and a lot of very interesting people.

I would have liked to see a discussion of the 1976 Japanese anime version.

Without the arrogance to provide an expert view of the book, but it seems that the author did follow up the path of Victor Hugo and Charles Dickens to describe the dark side of Italian society at that time. I would definitely consider drilling down and understand the part of the Italian story

I read fairy tales to my kids a lot from older books. They can be so brutal that i feel the need to skip or modify words while reading.

The disney movie pinoccio is grim and the book was even grimmer. But the disney one is also a true piece of art much in the sense of the original as it speaks to the children directly.

Recently an article on Bambi and how different the Disney version is hit the front page.

And now this, makes me wonder who the audience of early Disney movies was.

Sure they’ve watered down both Bambi and Pinocchio, but they couldn’t have had young children in mind when they decided to adapt such stories.

Love this Jon Solo report on Pinocchio, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGtweb0OS5g

Getting and endless loop of Cloudflare - never seen that

Bromite?

Pretty cool, I didn't know it was a series in Italy. From what they said in the article it doesn't seem too far from the Disney version. (Any more than the expected, condensed, Disney way).

Jordan Peterson actually really opened up the Disney story of Pinocchio for me, all of it is really quite apt. I could imagine the original is quite amazing.

https://youtu.be/Us979jCjHu8

Reader beware: watching one clip of Jordan Peterson will infect your Youtube recommendations with ‘woke’ videos for teens, and they will sit there for years to come.

Yeah, there is something going on there with the recommendations for controversial figures like Jordan. I just watched some of the lectures, the 3 to 4 hour ones on Pinocchio and the Bible. Now my recommendations are infected with "Jordan Peterson DESTROYS feminists"

My condolences. I'm pretty sure it may now take YouTube a full year to learn that you're not gonna watch that. Might be easier to remove the lectures from the ‘watch history’ and then methodically mark these recommendations as not interesting to you. Of course, idk if that doesn't also catch some properly good content by association.

I do wish YouTube's recommendations would open up a wider spectrum sometimes. It seems to get stuck on a half dozen topics on my Android TV

They mostly go away, eventually.

I think watch time is big part of the formula; because they are long lectures it takes a lot of shorter videos to override their weight.

as someone from "before the Internet" I find this tiny (real) anecdote about watching a single YouTube video "ruining recommendations" very powerful in all the wrong ways

The reality is it's at most a minor inconvenience since these days youtube's recommendations can be controlled by telling youtube you don't want something recommended. You can depeterson yourself fairly easily if afflicted.

The thing is, I'm never sure that YouTube learns that I don't want Peterson, and not that I'm allergic to e.g. feminism.

Yeah that's fair. My youtube usage is relatively narrow in topics so it's probably a little easier to deal with the blast radius.

I'm allergic to both sides of the culture war, but the algorithms seem to want me to be invested in someone's narrative on it.

Jordan Peterson is anything but "woke"

> Pretty cool, I didn't know it was a series in Italy. From what they said in the article it doesn't seem too far from the Disney version. (Any more than the expected, condensed, Disney way).

I watched the Disney adaptation about a year ago and it sounds like it hit upon the most of the points of the original, though some of them were only in passing. It certainly wasn't just about a lying boy, as I originally thought it to be. What did strike me was how grim the adaptation was. I don't know if I would show it to a child these days, and I know a great many children who would be scared witless by it.

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