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This is not human nature, this is criminal behavior:

https://twitter.com/RealSpikeCohen/status/152967872671538790...

Heavily armed police set up a barrier and let the shooter run wild for nearly an hour. Parents screamed and begged for them to intervene and they refused. When parents tried to push their way past, the police stopped them. You can see them pinning one father to the ground in that video, which is frankly the most upsetting thing I have ever seen. But everyone should watch it. It's important to understand just how indifferent police are to the citizens of this country. They have no legal obligation to protect anyone, but this goes even further than that. There are reports the police called on the children to yell if they needed help. When at least one child yelled "help", they did nothing, and the shooter was able to locate that kid and murder them.

These cops should be tried for aiding and abetting the mass slaughter of children, but I would be surprised if they got so much as a temporary paid suspension.

Every single police officer involved should be charged and tried for felony homicide as accessories of the shooter. And if the courts don't punish them, the people should.

Still all unverifiable, but what seems likely if you put aside your breakdown as monstrous and look for a rational explanation and relate to police procedure

The shooter makes it into the school under pursuit and enters a classroom with two adjoining classes.

Officers are reported as shot in the process.

At that point, there is an armed gunmen in a classroom barricaded in.

It's now a hostage situation.

The rest of the school is occupied by police and evacuation/threat plans are being followed.

Storming a classroom filled with hostages is not procedure.

Parents and others running into the school when they already know where the shooter is and what the situation does not help anyone.

Although the timeline is 90 minutes or so from entry until he was neutralized that doesn't mean he didn't just shoot everyone in the first minutes.

The idea that they just gave up or were all cowards is a bit irrational.

> what seems likely if you put aside your breakdown as monstrous and look for a rational explanation and relate to police procedure

What does "police procedure" have to do with individual officers going in to save their own children? Do you actually believe this to be the procedure anywhere?

> Although the timeline is 90 minutes or so from entry until he was neutralized that doesn't mean he didn't just shoot everyone in the first minutes.

How could the police possibly have known that all the children in the barricaded classroom were already killed? What if some could have been saved if they hadn't been left shot and bleeding for 90 minutes?

> Storming a classroom filled with hostages is not procedure.

You can't have it both ways. If the kids were killed immediately then there were no hostages to worry about.

> The idea that they just gave up or were all cowards is a bit irrational.

By this point we've all seen pictures of multiple police officers with bulletproof vests and AR-15 style weapons waiting around outside doing nothing -- other than holding back parents who wanted nothing more than to do for their children what the cops did for their own. If this isn't cowardice, what is?

> Officers are reported as shot in the process.

This is the entire story. A couple cops got shot and the rest were understandably frightened. So rather than risk their lives going after the shooter, they rescued their own kids and literally left the rest of them to die.

No one saved any children from the barricaded/defended classroom, no children not in the barricaded/defended classroom were shot after the gunman entered.

If they entered the school and found their own children, it was not from within that room.

"Have it both ways"

Merely pointing out an existing unknown, they may have cctv and know what was happening in the room. It's the part that concerns me the most, did they allow a crazed gunmen to slowly mow down children over 90 minutes?

My expectations is that did not occur but is a much larger concern than your whimpers about whether human beings acted parental within the course of their jobs. None had the opportunity to enter that room, the only one that mattered.

Parkland had a coward cop, I'd be very quick to call out more should they exist, we don't know yet, but from what we do know your suppositions do not hold water.

That all could be a complete cover up and the cowards sat outside, but we certainly don't know that.

It does seem like the absolute Rambo who busted in and ended it did it while off-duty and perhaps outside of the local PD's control.

It also seems like local PD got at least one child killed through inaction, which should be enough to tar and feather all of them.

But it will be quite awhile before trustworthy details come out.

If all of that is true, it's still human nature. Cowardice, bad decisions, and cruelty are not uncommon police behaviors, especially. We can't reform it away because you can't train people to reliably put themselves in danger and make selfless decisions. Even the military can't reliably do that.

This was an absolutely insane, extreme situation that should never happen so that we never find out whether police are heroes or not. And it doesn't need to keep happening because we know how to prevent it.

That's crazy. I'm speechless. What a fucked up situation.

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