They are easier to clean for sure but I can't believe the current "click this, slide that" UX is the best the manufacturers could come up with.
They are easier to clean for sure but I can't believe the current "click this, slide that" UX is the best the manufacturers could come up with.
It made me wonder if anyone actually tested the damn design before approval for mass production.
That'd be my go-to panic resolve anyway
* For folks unfamiliar by this I mean it takes almost zero effort to turn the switch off, but takes a little bit of force to switch back on
If I'm honest I only noticed it because the last one I came across seemed to be wired upside down (easy on, resistant off) and I'm almost certain the house before had the same but wired the "right way"
Could just have been some rogue grease or something either lubricating or gunking up the switch haha
I've never seen one of these soft touch control designs on a cooktop but I did hear they existed and at least one cat had turned one on by standing on it resulting in a house fire. The only dumber idea I can think of is a touch screen, which I'm sure they're hard at work integrated right now.
Right, that's bad design.
The cooktop I'm familiar with always turns off and beeps if something (metal pots or a liquid) covers a part of the button area.
To turn it on, you have to press two different buttons within a certain time limit, with a pot standing on the appropriate cooking zone. Most cats probably won't manage to do that.
> The only dumber idea I can think of is a touch screen
Oh, don't get me started. We own an oven with a touch screen. It's pure idiocy. But the cooktop is actually very good IMO.
Cats responsible for 107 house fires in Seoul in past 3 yrs ... According to the Seoul Metropolitan Fire & Disaster Headquarters, cats are believed to have started the blaze by turning on the electric stove in the kitchen with their paws. ... Electric induction cookers often come with touch-sensitive buttons, which can be switched on by the paw of an animal.
The knobs are more convenient to operate, but they tend to accumulate grease in the joints and other parts where you cannot reach. And if you want to clean them thoroughly you need to disassemble the knobs and that's annoying as hell. For me being easier to clean compensates everything.
The other thing is you can buy new knobs which can update/change/refresh the look of an older cooktop.
Got the touch buttons now and am forever turning stuff off randomly. It's like my hand meats are drawn to pressing more than one button at a time
I guess the idea is if the water overflows it'll 'touch' multiple buttons and turn the heat off but I've only ever turned it off by accident so far haha
Then, when in a shocking twist of events it's absolutely miserable, the tests are slightly mangled to highlight the usability gains ("easier to wipe", "looks modern and integrates well in a modern kitchen") and ensure no one's yearly bonus is endangered.
Surprisingly, it works out really well despite competition because everyone's doing it pretty similarly.
If your next question is "but why on Earth is it done like that!?", well, there are many reasons for that. But the tl;dr is that making kitchen appliances with universal, "boring" features, which last for 20 years, would spell disaster for a lot of companies in a lot of industries, from home appliances to furniture, and for smaller, specialized suppliers in these fields. The market has fine-tuned itself for frequently replaceable junk that's just good enough to that someone can plausibly say "well ackshually" when I refer to it as junk. Anything better would inherently result in much longer growth cycles, which Western management and stakeholders are not capable of handling anymore, and would disrupt "fashionable" trends, which would further prolong growth cycles in both home appliances and connected industries (furniture, home decor, cooking vessels believe it or not, and so on). It would also make it difficult to outsource mass production to cheap factories with poor quality control processes, thus driving prices up even more than the better materials and design would warrant, but that's more of a second-order effect than a cause by now.
Sauce: I used to work on consumer products years ago -- not kitchen appliances specifically but I know people who did those, too. Attending meetings was a lesson in cognitive dissonance and doublespeak and it's one of the least rewarding tech jobs you can imagine.
Designing and selling long-lived consumer products is a tremendous effort in terms of regulatory activity and logistics. And if you're just entering the market, you're entering a market where established players have been sitting on standardizing committees, lobbying regulatory bodies, and have had special deals with manufacturers, transporters, TV channels and shopping malls since Jimmy Carter was in the White House, and have been able to leverage them when dealing with online shops since the days of the dotcom boom.
Furthermore, getting that "more of the market share" requires actual first sales to happen in the first place. Selling fewer, better, and inherently more expensive products by claiming that yours are really good and last a long time is not very straightforward at all: it's not like everyone else is openly advertising that they're selling cheap junk that's worse than their 1980s versions in every way except maybe power consumption (because we can make better power supplies now). If you're selling kitchen stoves that last for twenty years, it's gonna be at least seven or eight years before anyone really believes you.
So all this requires tremendous initial investment in a pretty hostile environment. Consumer markets are already perceived as low-yield and under tremendous price pressure. But, worse, some segments -- household appliances in particular -- also suffer from a "marketshare = dead market" problem: if you sold someone a washing machine that lasts fifteen years, you're not going to sell them another one for fifteen years. So if you're selling things that last for fifteen years, you gotta convince the folks whose money you're depending on that you can keep selling things at a reasonable pace for fifteen years from now, and you won't really know if you've succeeded at your basic value proposition ("we make better things that last longer") for at least seven or eight years into it.
That's not just pretty risky, it's on a timeframe that's about an order of magnitude higher than companies/investment funds/people willing to throw that kind of money into things that run on electricity are able to work with.
That's not to say no one has been entering these markets. They have, but they've usually done it through other value propositions -- stuff that's even cheaper, stuff that's ethically sourced and so on. New premium brands do pop up but they either target prosumer/super premium markets (slang for "super rich people who want to brag or impress"), where the rules are slightly different, or go straight for the professional market first, where the rules of the game are very much different, and use whatever reputation they can make there to start selling home appliances too.
From my limited experience with touch operated stoves - these would be just as reliably operated by randomly throwing darts at a board.
And it's not just that, but words with the same meaning can have vastly different lengths depending on language, which may or may not fit in your original design. To name an example: If you have an fan-assisted oven, you can have a small round button labeled 'fan'. In Dutch, however, the word is 'ventilator', which would require much more space.
If only we could all decide upon a "default" language to use globally, much like a lot of software out there is available only in English which seems to be good enough (almost all programming languages included) for most cases.
Then again, I'm the kind of person who finds most localizations in my native language to be uncomfortable to use and attempts by the academia to force people to use translated IT terms pointless - that will only lead to more confusion.
Of course, not everyone knows multiple languages so maybe that's not the best argument, since we should be accomodating to many people if possible. And then there's the fact that I might have to learn Mandarin eventually if such an initiative came to pass.
(my own pet peeve though are microwaves - they are a positive monstrosity of horrible interface bearing no connection to actual typical usage. I'd like one with a massive "add 30s and start button", and anything else is a nice optional extra for me :-D
A pretty good idea, I'm sure other manufacturers have the same but I don't know the marketing lingo.
[1]: https://www.manualslib.com/manual/972967/Whirlpool-Jt469.htm...
This is the ideal design and no one can convince me otherwise. Same thing goes for ovens. All I care about is "how hot do I cook/bake this?" and "For how long?"
Two dials is perfect.
I have no idea why domestic microwaves come with a maze of buttons when such vastly superior knob technology exists.
Turn the knob for time, hit ok, get power prompt, hit ok again for 100% (or adjust using the knob for less), microwaving starts.
There is also specific program functionality to tell it you have 200g of mince meat to defrost or whatever and it figures out the time/power setting, but I personally never use them.
They iterate over the design bits (black knobs on black microwave -> silver knobs on black microwave -> current design), but the microwave remains the same
The best are often a big knob controlling a digital LCD timer. Started with a single start button doubling as +30s.
That's exactly how this one worked. I wish I could recall the brand, but I don't; it felt more like an industrial device than a home appliance.
A good physical knob or button usually feels much more luxurious and expensive.
Says everyone on Linux with their ridiculous custom setup on an obscure window manager. The difference here being that you can change things to make them more comfortable and don't have to wait for some "designer" to have the idea first.
I've been using an induction stove for years now, and I still can't get over the fact that I don't have stepless control over the output power. When I have to keep something on a simmer, I'm continually adjusting the controls because keeping the pan on 2 will eventually get off the boil, and if I keep it on 3 it boils too hard.
Give me back my continuously-variable controls, please.
No use of the touch screen for the basic flow. But if you want to do something else like start self cleaning or turn steaming on, you use the touchscreen rather than pull out a manual that tells you to press button 1, 3 and 4 for 4 seconds.
1. Far easier to clean (you even mention this despite saying it brings no features...)
2. Easier for a lock function to help prevent kids/accidental turning on of the stove
3. Take up less space, makes the stove top a flush surface making it more reusable as a counter top
There are pros and cons to knobs vs capacitive buttons on a stove. In my kitchen I do not have a lot of spare counter space, so having the entire stove practically flush with the rest of the counter with absolutely nothing protruding is a big positive feature to me. I've never personally encountered any misunderstandings of the on/off or up/down buttons, and I've never had issues with boil overs or something triggering buttons unwantingly or been unable to make adjustments while cooking. So for me, the flush capacitive buttons are a huge selling point; having knobs would be worse in my use case.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?st=stove+top
Lets compare two pretty similar stoves and see how they compare to my 3 points above:
Electric stove with knobs: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/ge-profile-36-built-in-electric...
Electric stove with touch controls: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/ge-profile-36-built-in-electric...
1. Which one looks easier to clean, the one that's literally a flat plane of glass, or the one with six protrusions which would need to be removed to clean under, which then need to be individually cleaned themselves?
2. It looks like this one actually has some kind of lock function, so that's nice. Not all knob-based stoves have this idea. Looking around at other stoves this feature is somewhat uncommon, but not ultra rare.
3. Once again, one is truly a flat plane of glass, while the other has six protrusions on it which you then have to deal with when moving things around the counter. Its nice not having those dials in the way when you're just trying to use that space as a counter in a pinch.
Having knobs on the top sounds like an incredibly stupid idea. For all the reasons you posted and more. No wonder people look into touch solutions if that’s the baseline comparison.
In the US this is the norm in cheaper, smaller kitchens and especially rental units but becomes less common in larger kitchens with built-in ovens. Its not like counter top stoves are the "baseline", its just a common arrangement as well as all-in-one ranges. Sometimes cars have two doors, sometimes they have four.
See these kitchens with a separate stove: https://irp-cdn.multiscreensite.com/6e40a3a3/dms3rep/multi/k... https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ac/2e/78/ac2e785c29d9892d155a... https://imagesvc.meredithcorp.io/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F...
And these kitchens with a combined oven+stove: https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images... https://cf.ltkcdn.net/interiordesign/images/orig/273067-1600... https://static.onecms.io/wp-content/uploads/sites/37/2020/11...
Both styles are pretty common in the US, it all depends on the layout of your kitchen. In my home, the oven is built in to a wall higher up off the ground with multiple drawers underneath. The stove is separate and on top of a large counter with lots of drawers underneath. Having knobs on the face of the range is less safe in a house with kids, its way easier for them to manipulate the knobs on the face than knobs on the top. Plus, having knobs on the face would mean I'd lose the wide, shallow drawer with all my quick cooking utensils right at the very top of the stove area. It would have to be several inches lower, making it less convenient. The controls on the top also make it easier to see and adjust the controls instead of having the controls be lower and pointed at my crotch. So there are positives to having the controls on the top. Like lots of things, there are tradeoffs either way.
Having touch controls on the top of the range is a nice feature for my kitchen. My experience would be worse if the controls were dials mounted where my most used kitchen drawer is currently, and would put my house in more danger from kids having easier access to them.
The stove at my parents place has some touch control to activate another heating ring(?). Not only is that hard to activate with wet or greasy fingers, but after a couple of years of use it keeps turning itself off now. Thank god that thing fails "closed" and does not (yet?) spontaneously activate effectively doubling the heating power.
One vote for the physical buttons. If you want to act quickly, tactile buttons are really annoying.
I LOATH my current oven / cook top that has up and down push button arrows and a tiny screen that is pointed at my waist ...
Have fun cooking with 2 zones, any time you need to adjust the heat of the next zone you need to press select 3 times to circle the whole stove and then adjust several times with plus or minus. Add the mandatory touch-delay to each action and by the time you reach desired temperature your food is burnt already. How can anyone think this is a good idea?!
So it seems like a fairly good trade-off to me.
There's no way around it. I do my best to clean under the knobs of my stove but they don't come off. Don't even get me started about how much of an ass pain burners are.
When I'm not renting I'll definitely install an induction system. If I never deal with cleaning burners, and knobs again it'll be too soon.