This is a bit like telling you to say "De Bruijn" and not "De Brown". De Brown is a kind of exonym that's well established, much like the Van Gogh situation: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Van_Gogh
Source: spent a ton of time researching adding a freh-nell lens to my large format camera’s ground glass.
Biggest pronunciation difference I've run into even within the same communities is foyer. I've always pronounced it the French way (foy-ey) but seems like 80% of people pronounce it foy-er.
I've never heard a british person call is a Fres-nell.
A fresnel is a commonly used form of light in theatres and studios and everyone I've ever worked with in the theatre has pronounced it the French way.
I assume it's that we are simply exposed to French much more (and learn it badly in school).
I've not had 'Fresnel' as a French name and I'm guessing the pronunciation I have in my head comes from reading it and, more likely, just watching too many American-made YouTube videos with people playing with huge Fresnel lenses for fun and profit.
I wonder if it's a context thing. Thinking about it, other than science lessons, the theatre is the only place I've heard the word on a regular basis. Perhaps it's that.
About 250,000 people work in media-arts in the UK out of 24 million full time workers: you are the 1% here!
Also, the Spanish equivalent of academie francais is at least talking about ending gender for inanimate objects I believe. In english, lack of a definitional body makes this very hard (actor/actress chairman &c, not having gendered inanimate objects makes it hard to find a direct equivalent)
> I think this is ironic writing this in English.
Oh, definitely. French is worse than English, but both are bad. My two Right-to-Left languages are far easier to pronounce from reading.Dearest creature in creation, Study English pronunciation. I will teach you in my verse Sounds like corpse, corps, horse, and worse. I will keep you, Suzy, busy, Make your head with heat grow dizzy. Tear in eye, your dress will tear. So shall I! Oh hear my prayer.
Just compare heart, beard, and heard, Dies and diet, lord and word, Sword and sward, retain and Britain. (Mind the latter, how it’s written.) Now I surely will not plague you With such words as plaque and ague. But be careful how you speak: Say break and steak, but bleak and streak; Cloven, oven, how and low, Script, receipt, show, poem, and toe.
Hear me say, devoid of trickery, Daughter, laughter, and Terpsichore, Typhoid, measles, topsails, aisles, Exiles, similes, and reviles; Scholar, vicar, and cigar, Solar, mica, war and far; One, anemone, Balmoral, Kitchen, lichen, laundry, laurel; Gertrude, German, wind and mind, Scene, Melpomene, mankind.
Billet does not rhyme with ballet, Bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet. Blood and flood are not like food, Nor is mould like should and would. Viscous, viscount, load and broad, Toward, to forward, to reward. And your pronunciation’s OK When you correctly say croquet, Rounded, wounded, grieve and sieve, Friend and fiend, alive and live.
Ivy, privy, famous; clamour And enamour rhyme with hammer. River, rival, tomb, bomb, comb, Doll and roll and some and home. Stranger does not rhyme with anger, Neither does devour with clangour. Souls but foul, haunt but aunt, Font, front, wont, want, grand, and grant, Shoes, goes, does. Now first say finger, And then singer, ginger, linger, Real, zeal, mauve, gauze, gouge and gauge, Marriage, foliage, mirage, and age.
Query does not rhyme with very, Nor does fury sound like bury. Dost, lost, post and doth, cloth, loth. Job, nob, bosom, transom, oath. Though the differences seem little, We say actual but victual. Refer does not rhyme with deafer. Foeffer does, and zephyr, heifer. Mint, pint, senate and sedate; Dull, bull, and George ate late. Scenic, Arabic, Pacific, Science, conscience, scientific.
Liberty, library, heave and heaven, Rachel, ache, moustache, eleven. We say hallowed, but allowed, People, leopard, towed, but vowed. Mark the differences, moreover, Between mover, cover, clover; Leeches, breeches, wise, precise, Chalice, but police and lice; Camel, constable, unstable, Principle, disciple, label.
Petal, panel, and canal, Wait, surprise, plait, promise, pal. Worm and storm, chaise, chaos, chair, Senator, spectator, mayor. Tour, but our and succour, four. Gas, alas, and Arkansas. Sea, idea, Korea, area, Psalm, Maria, but malaria. Youth, south, southern, cleanse and clean. Doctrine, turpentine, marine.
Compare alien with Italian, Dandelion and battalion. Sally with ally, yea, ye, Eye, I, ay, aye, whey, and key. Say aver, but ever, fever, Neither, leisure, skein, deceiver. Heron, granary, canary. Crevice and device and aerie.
Face, but preface, not efface. Phlegm, phlegmatic, ass, glass, bass. Large, but target, gin, give, verging, Ought, out, joust and scour, scourging. Ear, but earn and wear and tear Do not rhyme with here but ere. Seven is right, but so is even, Hyphen, roughen, nephew Stephen, Monkey, donkey, Turk and jerk, Ask, grasp, wasp, and cork and work.
Pronunciation — think of Psyche! Is a paling stout and spikey? Won’t it make you lose your wits, Writing groats and saying grits? It’s a dark abyss or tunnel: Strewn with stones, stowed, solace, gunwale, Islington and Isle of Wight, Housewife, verdict and indict.
Finally, which rhymes with enough — Though, through, plough, or dough, or cough? Hiccough has the sound of cup. My advice is to give up!!!
> Yes, or a little superscript like ™ but fr for French
Bonne idée!ᶠʳHere's an example in English: "cough" and "bough", or "wood" and "food".