SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk of Sexual Misconduct
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"In the past I voted Democrat, because they were (mostly) the kindness party.
But they have become the party of division & hate, so I can no longer support them and will vote Republican.
Now, watch their dirty tricks campaign against me unfold … " https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1526997132858822658
Interesting strategy of trying to get ahead of this..
I'm not a Musk fanboy but I recognize the power of someone with great intelligence and vision and is willing to bully to make it happen.
Case in point: there's 3 space companies run by billionaires, but only one of them is successful. I think it's his driving force that makes the difference.
It doesn't make him a good person, but it's evident that it is effective. As with Jobs, I can respect his achievements and not respect him.
If allegations on Elon are true, it is unfortunate to have this stain on his rather remarkable vision for the future. We need more visionaries like Elon.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/16/tech/microsoft-bill-gates-sex...
"Melinda French Gates voiced concerns about her husband’s relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and a harassment claim against his money manager. He also had an affair with an employee."
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/16/business/bill-melinda-gat...
When he started on the Gates Foundation and became a philanthropist it helped reform him in my eyes. But the latest revelations have undone much of that.
Insider says they contacted him 9am yesterday.
[1] - https://twitter.com/johnjcook/status/1527421611070177307
I'd probably do the same thing. It may have been 2 hours before this story but he's been putting out "controversial" tweets for months.
I also have someone else telling me they contacted him years ago, still waiting on that source but no idea what to believe at this point.
Specifically rebut the claim. Cite the Insider reaching out and disclose first. Not denying the savviness of his strategy. But it’s so corrosive to our culture… We need better.
True, I will say that this doesn't look good. We also don't know what Insider actually even asked though.
I can agree in a perfect world, this strategy is underhanded. Let's say though that you received an email that has totally false allegations, what would the statement even read? Thankfully I've never been in such a position but I imagine I would say something similar to "there's going to be stupid stories coming out" vs "Insider is planning to publish a smear campaign against me" - which would just bring more attention to it.
Again, this is all assuming its a false allegation.
If its true, seems the best course of action would be to remain totally silent and not become the center of attention for the past few months.
Looks like he has "denied" it on twitter.
I agree he should have denied it to Business Insider _but_, without knowing what Business Insider actually asked to get that response, I'll refrain from judging the answer.
That doesn't prove/disprove anything.
>SpaceX could easily make a a statement that it didn't happen
Why? They have already settled.
>And, for the record, those wild accusations are utterly untrue
And then he rapidly goes off the rails.
>But I have a challenge to this liar who claims their friend saw me “exposed” – describe just one thing, anything at all (scars, tattoos, …) that isn’t known by the public. She won’t be able to do so, because it never happened. … Moreover, the “friend” in question who gave the interview to BI, is a far left activist/actress in LA with a major political axe to grind.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1527518555641618433
> They began brewing attacks of all kinds as soon as the Twitter acquisition was announced.
>In my 30 year career, including the entire MeToo era, there’s nothing to report, but, as soon as I say I intend to restore free speech to Twitter & vote Republican, suddenly there is …
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1527629698267615232
I mean there's at least 750 thousand reasons now to believe that there is in fact something to report and that investigative journalists are now looking into what else there may be.
> Heard has been credited with donating $1.3 million in four installments, Dougherty said. But not all of the money came directly from her: $100,000 was from Depp, and another $500,000 is from a Vanguard account the ACLU believes to be associated with Elon Musk — whom Heard dated after her breakup with Depp.
https://www.npr.org/2022/04/29/1095571524/amber-heard-aclu-d...
People have wanted to tear him down for years. I _really_ doubt there's anything else if upon the apex of his renouncing of democrats results in nothing more than allegations and hearsay.
I could be wrong... but I just don't see it happening.
Also, I fail to see how the Amber Heard stuff comes into play...
Submit to the current agenda or your skeletons will be dug up and shown to the world.
This story (and the degree to which it is being artificially pushed, including by being posted on HN every 3 minutes to make sure it gets seen) is well within the range of usual "dirty tricks" attacks that come out whenever someone publicly sets themselves against the democratic party.
I'd bet up to $1000 that it's true.
As far as "victimized cult mentality" goes, I really don't think Republicans rate, really. They mostly don't participate in the victimhood-industrial complex.
Pre-Trump, maybe. The GOP is post-Trump now. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/conservati...
Republicans support a variety of policies -- different ones support different policies, but they include:
Limiting abortion.
Decreasing illegal immigration.
Increased access to firearms.
Lower taxes, especially on incomes.
The elimination of Section 230 protections for large tech platforms.
An increase in domestic energy production, with an eye towards energy self-sufficiency.
A decrease in H1 visas.
Increased school choice, through a combination of charter schools, school vouchers, and home-schooling support.
Increased policing, especially the enforcement of misdemeanor theft, vandalism, trespass, and destruction of property.
Increased enforcement of drug laws, especially pertaining to methamphetamines, heroin, and fentanyl.
A decrease in cooperation with China.
You may oppose some or all of these policy positions, but you can't reasonably claim that they aren't policy positions. I tried to give you a smattering from across different types of policy, rather than just things in the news recently.
Shouldn't need saying, but this is not my list of policy goals. I have opinions, but they're not relevant to a discussion of whether the Republican party has or has not got a platform.
>After Insider contacted Musk for comment, he emailed to ask for more time to respond and said there is "a lot more to this story."
>"If I were inclined to engage in sexual harassment, this is unlikely to be the first time in my entire 30-year career that it comes to light," he wrote, calling the story a "politically motivated hit piece."
>Insider extended the deadline and reiterated the offer to Musk to comment on the claims. He did not respond.
I'm not saying this is what happened in Musk's case. Maybe he is guilty -- wouldn't be the first rich guy (or just, the first guy) caught doing something like this. Just saying, Musk became Enemy No 1 of the left and then almost immediately, a sexual-deviancy charge appears from long ago and is being obviously aggressively pushed across all platforms, and it'd be irresponsible not to wonder, given how often the left gets caught using this exact tactic.
At least, in the 3 minutes I was willing to spend thinking about it, I couldn't dream up a way to use that quote to imply your guilt.
When you're guilty, not so much...
I dont know all of the facts but I'm a decent speculator.
We all know how rampant sexual harassment and misconduct is at Musk-owned and operated companies. If this wasn't the case, I would tend to side with Musk, but it's not so it adds a lot of credibility to this report, perhaps enough to tip the scale enough to put the burden of proof on Musk. If in fact it can be shown she was paid $250,000 (a lot of money for a flight attendant), it looks very bad for him.
One of the things that I most hate about tech is the obsession and idolization over the founder, and how bad behavior by them is routinely tolerated. It always comes back to bite you in the end, and, at the end of the day, the founder would be nothing without their employees and engineers, who do all the hard work. With all the constant tweeting, public persona building, interviewing, is Musk really doing any work or adding any value to these companies? If he isn't actually involved in day to day operations, and all his value depends on his celebrity, he is in quite a difficult position -- not unlike a celebrity: one misstep and your entire career could be over. I do not envy his position.
Smart people will only tolerate working for a chauvinist with an outsized ego for so long.
I don’t think this should be stated as fact without some references to back it up. I certainly hadn’t gotten this impression of Tesla or SpaceX.
> Two of his companies, however, have faced allegations of sexual harassment in the past. In December 2021, the same week he was named Time's Person of the Year, four women who worked at SpaceX spoke out about sexual harassment they said they faced at the company, where Musk is the CEO. One, Ashley Kosak, published an essay recounting being groped and touched inappropriately by male employees while she was an intern. Three others — one of whom said she was bound by a non-disclosure agreement — recounted similar treatment to the New York Times.
> In response to the reports, SpaceX president and chief operating officer Gwynne Shotwell sent a company-wide email saying that "timely reporting of harassment is key to our maintaining SpaceX as a great place to work; we can't fix what we don't know," the Times reported. She added that SpaceX will "rigorously investigate all harassment or discrimination claims and take rapid and appropriate action when we find our policy is violated."
> And at least six women have sued Tesla, where Musk is the CEO, alleging sexual harassment at a Tesla factory. Men at the factory ogled women and remarked on their clothes, the complaints said, leading some women to wear baggy outfits and use stacks of boxes to obstruct the views of leering co-workers. Some of the women claimed they were retaliated against when they came forward.
>After Insider contacted Musk for comment, he emailed to ask for more time to respond and said there is "a lot more to this story."
Do we even know what Insider's question was or if there was more to the response?
Ultimately, if this is all true that would be incredibly disheartening. I still feel it's convenient this comes up on the heels of him turning his back on certain political groups. He moved to Texas and has been complaining about leftists for awhile now. I'm not a fan of engaging in that stuff at all but I try to refrain from hating people for it, regardless of "side." I said the same exact thing when 10s of accusations came up against Biden the minute he started gaining traction in the primaries. Seems when these things are true they come more out of nowhere, i.e. Epstein, Weinstein and Cuomo. Ofc, not saying timing doesn't mean it isn't true. Just saying it would be far from the first convenient accusation against a public figure.
"Tesla policy is never to give in to false claims, even if we would lose, and never to fight true claims, even if we would win."
So this is either true or he's a liar (or just inconsistent...), make your own mind up
>the majority of Charter Flight Attendant salaries currently range between $30,500 (25th percentile) to $49,000 (75th percentile)
This happened in 2018, so she likely made less and $250k would have seemed like even more then than now - so yeah in her shoes I would have taken that deal too.
But I'd like to put being a celebrity billionaire into context. (this is not from the personal experience of being a celebrity billionaire, unfortunately)
Pretty much every non-rich person in the sphere of a wealthy celebrity is hoping to financially benefit from that access. Some nicer people take the path of trying to be extremely loyal to the celebrity in hopes of getting access, jobs, and gifts: you sometimes read stories about wealthy peoples' employees who get extremely generous gifts from them.
However, some sociopaths take the path of trying to maneuver themselves into falsely suing their way into getting a piece of that wealth. I'd bet that quite a few rich folks have secretly paid off some bad behaving employees who were willing to fabricate claims to just go away. This doesn't mean that the billionaire did anything wrong, it just wasn't worth the hassle to try and fight a particular claim at a particular time. This is just something that people should keep in mind when hearing about any claims about celebrities: they're surrounded by people who are tempted to take their one shot at a piece of that wealth.
I’m sorry but there is no world in which Musk spends $40b to control the narrative in a single sexual harassment story. Clearly it was only worth $250k to get an NDA from her in 2018. Musk buying Twitter has nothing to do with this.
Musk’s tweets about incoming political attacks on the other hand likely do have something to do with it.
"After Insider contacted Musk for comment, he emailed to ask for more time to respond and said there is "a lot more to this story."
"If I were inclined to engage in sexual harassment, this is unlikely to be the first time in my entire 30-year career that it comes to light," he wrote, calling the story a "politically motivated hit piece."
Insider extended the deadline and reiterated the offer to Musk to comment on the claims. He did not respond."
If it weren't true, you would imagine they would more strongly deny the event happened.
no, you cannot conclude that if people don't deny something strongly that it means something happened. I don't think he's even denying the event, but wouldn't classify it as "harassment".
There are many ways to interpret what people say and do in public.
I actually literally have no idea what happened, and I don't particularly like Musk. I'm just pointing out some fairly obvious epistemological details about truth in the news.
Well no duh, but if he was on the plane and he got served too much alcohol. I can see that happening.
"I drank too much" does not excuse showing someone your dick and asking to buy sex from them.
She was subsequently upset that she didn't get more time on the jet after reporting the incident as well, which just sounds weird. Why would she want to get back on the jet at all...
And, "maybe the towel fell off when he turned over" is also weird. Typically, a masseuse would hold up a sheet while you turned over, and give you the time and space to do so and ask if you were covered before continuing the massage. I've had many massages, and accidental nudity would be pretty difficult.
Second, when you are getting a massage, your arms are placed by your sides on the table so the masseuse can work them while they are relaxed. Touching or grabbing the masseuse would require you to take a really uncommon action. It's also unlikely to be accidental. It's also expected that you don't reach out and touch the masseuse... If you need their attention you use words.
It's a monumental stretch to imagine this happening accidentally. Occam's razor suggests here that Musk crossed the line.
(still not a fan)
What should be considered damning in this case is Musk using very typical tactics to try and get ahead of the story while also claiming there's more to it (a tacit admittal that it did happen) even though he's refusing to elaborate.
Do you know the question insider asked to prompt this response?