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Jobs has never taken credit for a design, has he? People who are uninformed just assume it's Jobs, and that perhaps is what Ive is referring to. He probably meant "it hurts when [Jobs] gets credit..."

If you look at the Objectified interview, along with nearly every promotional video that Apple puts out, it's very clear that Ive is the design guy.

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No one even knows who Ive is. Ask 10 random people not on hackernews and I bet you will get 11 blank stares.

There is implied credit being given, and Jobs knows this. He doesn't bother to correct it, document publicly who designs things, or let Ive speak to the press and take credit himself. All of these are tantamount to taking credit. If credit comes your way and you do not deflect it or recognize the true author, you are taking credit.

And Jobs has done this ever since he worked on Breakout with Wozniak, so it is unsurprising.

Has anyone here ever had their name on a press release for a product launch? Dude gets a 8-figure salary and unlimited autonomy without the risk and management overhead of starting his own firm. There are tradeoffs in life.

He didn't have to take credit for any particular designs, he just took credit for all the designs because of his unofficial role as "taste maker." That's way harder to refute. It's like giving Chuck Norris credit for all living things because he's allowed them to live.

chuck norris looked at this analogy…and it just stared back.

EDIT: there are a lot of interesting people on HN, but there are a lot of humorless people too. enjoy your spectrum disorder.

"Everyone that doesn't agree with my sense of humour is handicapped!"

exactly.

It's not that, it's just that we as a community are keenly afraid of HN's comments section turning into reddit's. Reddit's threads are often clever and sometimes hilarious, but that crap has choked off most everything else. That's not what this forum is about. If we don't remain hyper-vigilant, it will creep in while we aren't looking. Comments that consist solely of a joke will almost always be voted down here.

that's nice and all that you responded. any idea how i delete my account as this obviously is not the place for me.

There's no way to delete your account. If you really want to delete it, maybe email YC or pg himself?

Could be an internal thing. I really can’t remember Jobs ever publicly and personally taking credit for design. But maybe he did inside the company?

I guess we will have to wait for the book for more context.

I think it's more that when the NYT talks about the new "Job's designed iPad", Ive kicks the cat.

That might be. I did read something on folklore.org about Steve Jobs often being told an idea, dismissing it as stupid, and, several weeks later, often coming back with the same idea thinking it was his own.

Recently I read an interview where Steve said he had the idea for a "piece of glass with a keyboard on it", i.e. the iPad. Who knows...

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