There's still a lot of organic human-made content still out there, possibly more than ever, it's just not able to compete with the SEO industry that completely displaces it from Google and social media.
> If I want to search for something topical and relevant, I go to Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, HackerNews, Instagram, Google Maps, Discord etc. The general Internet is dead: it's just legacy content and spam.
The "general" Internet is not dead. Though if you just want to participate in just Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, HackerNews, Instagram, Google Maps, Discord you might well think that.
Users of marginalia (author above), Mojeek (disclosure: CEO) and others [0] are well aware that there are riches of organic human-made content; from years back and new. Yes, a lot of noise too, which Google has a bigger (SEO) struggle to compete against. But still there is good and different content available.
To find good content, using search, you need to use "search" engines which enable discovery, as Google used to do so. I stress the "search" as the emphasis of Google, Bing and thus their syndicates is increasingly on being "answer" engines.
[0] https://seirdy.one/2021/03/10/search-engines-with-own-indexe...
There seems to be a big disconnect with a typical users attention span and the length of a post.
For some things it is. Good luck getting a non-sponsored/SEO-gamed review of a kitchen appliance or particular vacation mode such as a cruise. It's flabbergasting.
Most times I just stick "inurl:reddit.com" in my search and try to get discussion threads about the thing I'm researching, but even that's getting filled up with shills.
A real litter of inconsistency between unrelated external organizations and varying markets and skill sets.
Google:
https://www.expertreviews.co.uk/home-garden/home-appliances
https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/appliances/
Bing:
https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/fitted-kitchens/article/plan...
https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/appliances/
DDG:
https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/appliances/
https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/fitted-kitchens/article/plan...
Marginalia:
https://www.infiniteeureka.com/shop-markdowns-on-small-kitch...
http://www.fullyramblomatic.com/essays/sarah.htm
Mojeek:
https://www.appliancesreviewed.net/
https://busybakers.co.uk/category/kitchen-appliance-reviews/
"Which" looks to be the exception, but that is a paid-for service.
It's a sad state of affairs.
Isn’t Amazon commonly used for most affiliate links or has that changed in recent years? Amazon isn’t the cheapest all the time any more. Nor is its customer support the top any more
People that know me and don't meet me regularly might know the URL of my web site and might care to look at it once per year and check if there is something new. Usually pictures and tales from holidays. Covid made those holidays less memorable so I didn't make any update since fall 2019. People that meet me regularly don't need that website, I'm telling them the tales first hand and showing them the pictures without being obnoxious. I guess that this website is a target for your search engine except it's not in English and your search engine seems to want English search phrases.
I don't have anything of value to share on a public chat like Twitter and I don't have an ego to pretend I do. I also don't use Facebook anymore. I go there once per year to like the messages that wish me happy birthday. I think it's polite to do so. All my media production is on WhatsApp or Telegram in group chats with people I know in real life.
If I really cared about producing content for the world I'd probably be using Twitter, Medium or the fad of the year and they'd take care of my SEO (do they?) or I'd be trying to score points on StackOverflow.
To recap: I never intended to compete on SEO. I'm really OK that my website is only for friends and spreads by word of mouth. It probably never did, I bet it's been on a flatline since I created it 20+ years ago.
It even happens to proprietary silos if they are too open. Look at how many bots and spammers infest social media. Propaganda and disinformation can also be considered a form of spam.
I realize this sounds cynical but don’t shoot the messenger. It’s just something I’ve learned watching the Internet evolve since the middle 1990s. Spam eats everything it can.
IMHO the future is enclaves and invite only communities. The Internet is a dark forest.
I love the maxim and philosophy of eternal refreshment.
Seems like the problem is more akin to having nuclear waste dumped into our rivers though.
Oh, don’t worry, the Fediverse will never catch on.
Large "authentic" search engines can exist to serve the rest of the web, those personal blogs and other small communities. Those sites have a natural tendency to not be trying to turn everything into a revenue stream, so if that was the prerequisite for an engine, it would be a perfect match and naturally dissuade marketing types.
When you have a 'real' community you're talking about real people with real salaries and desires, add in that you tend to develop a real trust between members. Think of this as fertilized soil. You can grow crops in it, but weed seeds will eventually land and try to take over it.
HackerNews is a good example of this, it takes a healthy amount of moderation to keep things on topic where things like politics get peared pretty ruthlessly. If for a minute Dang gave in found ways to additionally monetize the forums, something that would be profitable for a while at least, things would start down a bad path.
Google started punishing keyword spam, then it started punishing black-hat comment spam. Even Youtube backtracked on the "videos have to be 10 minutes to rank".
I wish they would do the same for carefully manicured SEO content farms too, as those sites are causing a harm worse than keyword-spammer sites did.
And a lot of people (myself often times included) are looking for a quick answer. A good enough answer. So good enough, SEO optimized is being surfaced. The result of an optimization war on both sides combined with the inevitable monetary interests.
I don't habe a solution. Sadly.
The black-hat kind is definitely made to extract money from ads. But those are easy to avoid for web veterans IMO. And I also feel that Google is doing its part, even though it's costing them money from those sweet ads!
But the white-hat kind, also known as content marketing, is made to let legit companies save money. Instead of paying for Google Advertisement, they get traffic by means of organic content. Think "Michelin Guide" or "Red Bull". Which is a jolly fine idea and responsible for a lot of good stuff, but the problem is that this has been taken to extremes, and now the web is littered with low-effort content made by freelancer writers getting peanuts.
I would personally prefer if those freelancer writers were doing 10 interesting Red Bull articles per month rather than 500 rehashes of contents from other websites. But who am I to judge.
In the news industry things are also very similar.
kagi.com search.marginalia.nu
I jest a little bit, but your comment genuinely makes me wonder if Marginalia++ is search results - Google - Marginalia
An idea I've had for a few years is making a social-network based index engine. The only pages that get indexed are pages that users themselves mark as worth indexing, and the only pages returned in your results are pages that were marked for indexing by people you added to your circles, or the people in their circles, or the people in those circles, etc (probably up to 5 or 6 degrees of separation).
Not directed at you specifically but this is the actual problem.
We already had a good system for these things. Delicious, blogrolls, RSS, the folksonomy ..
So basically everyone on earth?
While professionally I need to help (smaller, local) clients to reach their audiences I become more and more weary.
It is like walking through a supermarket with industrialized fast convenience food shouting in bright colors and advertising while ultimately not nourishing me like slow, real food could.
I am still looking for this digital slow food movement.
Please read it, and if you enjoy it please suggest it to friends.
From my perspective, we onboarded a lot (if not most) people to the internet after 2007 (the explosion of social media). People sticking to big sites really speaks to an inability to explore the larger internet and a lack of knowing why you would even want to.
Most (99%) people use the Internet most (99%) of the time to see or hear what other people are up to. The big sites are where all the other people are. QED.
(This comment falls into that space)