Not at all. They just released the kernel modules which is a tiny part of what is needed to make GPU work.
> System76 and Framework
Lenovo has been around for a very long time and their thinkpads have been repairable well before these two brands ever shipped anything.
I know for some old ThinkPads (edit: The IBM branded T60 from 2006) you can get a custom motherboard that works with modern CPUs, but the price for the mobo alone is more than a Framework laptop
If not, I'm not sure I believe you know what you are talking about - its nice lenovo (in past) has been so rugged, repairable, but using reverse engineered parts is a very different thing to a set of components that can be extended.
Put it like this - can you put a lenovo part on a framework laptop? No? Why?
Until you can, Framework is in a whole different category....
- https://frame.work/marketplace
- https://guides.frame.work/c/Framework_Laptop
The prices of the parts are very reasonable, and each part is labeled with a QR code that can be scanned to access repair instructions.
I do like what Framework is doing, and my next laptop will likely be from them.
I can confirm HP isn't too shabby. Very easy to take apart, and they even put out maintenance and service manuals, at least for their Pro/Elite Desk/Book lines. They show how to disassemble them, the possible part-numbers (for example the different available keyboards with or without backlight).
I've never had to actually source any parts so don't know how easy it is, especially once they get old.
But, in general, I would personally not recommend the laptops. They're cheap junk with ridiculously bad screens.
The desktops are quite OK, though.
If it's successful one would expect availability to increase.
The Framework uses standard parts for wifi, storage, and display. The "proprietary" bits are the mainboard, the battery, and the keyboard/mouse assembly (in the case of the Framework, mainly because of the custom connector).
This is precisely the same situation as with Lenovo, save that the Framework is far more modular and thus easy to repair.
I'm not sure why you think there's any difference.
(Context: Lenovo installed universal root CAs on their laptops during the 2010s, so they could serve ads. They were tied to firmware IIRC, so, reinstalling Windows would not remove the malware.)
Non-ThinkPad Lenovos are not great by any mean. They are unremarkable consumer-grade laptops. ThinkPads are a legacy from IBM that Lenovo is smart enough to keep separate from the rest.
Obviously Lenovo has zero integrity and will spy on us or cheat us in some other way if they think they can do it without getting caught.
Sad that nobody else makes laptops with the little nub for pointing the mouse.
The old TP was fantastic. Really out of date hardware, but it did the job. New one is great, in theory (spec-wise), but its a much cheaper build, breaks more, and just generally has far more issues than I remember with the old one. I think I had one in the middle too which was just straight up an awful peice of junk...
When Lenovo got bought out by China, they weren't really that smart - they tried to consumerize their TP and thereby cut costs - the features they brought back to modern TPs are still nice but you just don't get the same attention to detail anymore...IMHO.
(For context in the future, this comment was made in 2022, when the Superfish Lenovo security controversy was only 7 years old.)
I guess you don't use any other company either because every other company has committed something bad in the past? (Sony had rootkits in their CDs, Microsoft has been anticompetitive by forcing the hands of OEMs and inserting spyware in their OS, the list can go on...).
What matters is how each company answers to their mistakes. If they double-down, you are right to avoid them. If they recognize them and make amends, it's OK to give them a chance again.
With Framework and System76 and other smaller manufacturers making Linux-first laptops, I'm especially disinclined to ever consider Lenovo again.
My old lenovo is still too good to throw away for $200, though I'd give it to a relative or friend for free.
It will be years before any Frameworks get that old, and by the time they do 5 or 8 years from now, well their whole sales pitch is that you can just keep repairing it or repurpose it's parts indefinitely. And this thread is talking about repairability not any other value propositions like market availability of old ones.
It may never become a junker you sold for 200 because you used it's parts for something else or you replaced the mainboard and just kept using it.
If there never appear any $200 Frameworks, that would only support the assertion that they are more user repairable.
This question makes no sense to me in this context.
Edit: And apparently even today is very limited. Just checked Lenovo's website, and apparently only two models can be ordered in the US with linux preinstalled: X1 Carbon, and the Yoga. That's it.
If they did part of the work, then clearly it is “some” work, and not “none at all”