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Also even if you ignore the technical problems with electronic voting (which are numerous): electronic voting systems are incredibly vulnerable to disinformation campaigns. With paper voting (at least in germany), anyone can attend and help the count. The system is transparent, open and very easy to understand. That doesn't make it immune to manipulation, but it is the closest we got so far.

With electronic voting, only one category of people even has the ability to understand the system, so "the average citizen" can only ever rely on "experts". And let's be honest, even for individual programmers and computer scientists it would take a large amount of effort to investigate. Get some news going that the system is flawed and you can't tell anyone to just go and check and verify for themselves, and we all know it's not hard to find "experts" that will gladly support that claim, even if it isn't true.

The US has paper votes. Didn’t stop Trump from discrediting the election.

The media used for voting doesn’t matter if trust is questioned. No single individual is able to count all paper votes either, so it’s fundamentally about citizens trusting authority.

Mail-in voting is substantially different to voting in person at a voting station, and has a much larger attack surface. It should be absolutely minimized or potentially even eliminated or replaced with something more secure.

Also, some states use electronic voting/counting machines, which should be looked at with suspicion. How can you, as somebody who wants to verify the integrity of an election, observe that they are not subject to vote manipulation?

Paper voting has the same central point of failure as the above proposal, they effectively have a voting pool manager, which is the State itself (though different in each State). These are notoriously bad at managing the voter pool, and issue ballots for the dead and people who have long emigrated. There are issues with people who have moves states and are issued ballots in multiple states - under mail-in voting they can trivially vote twice. If they were forced to vote in person they would have to make the trip between states on voting day.

I didn't claim that paper votes are immune against it. But having voting that is a complete black box for everyone will amplify it.

> No single individual is able to count all paper votes either

Compare "I can't count them all myself but I can see and understand the way it works" with "I can't count them myself and I can't even understand how the system and validation work".

Imagine if trump could've slapped some claims about faulty tech, broken tech security, untrustworthy developers etc. on top of the rest.

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