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Truth died 3 months ago in the west regarding Ukraine and Russian war. If the Russians were really as bad as western propaganda said they were. Macron wouldn't have said too Zelensky to just let Russia anex Ukrainian regions and sign a peace accord same with the Lloyd Austin US defence minister.

I wouldn't be surprised that once the $40 billion "Ukraine bill" gets approved as one last big tax payer slush fund for western elites, the message will change real quick how the Ukrainians fought like brave lions against the Russian asiatic hordes.

But the Russian asiatic hordes were just too much, how the Russians used human wave attack, while reality russia is fighting a Ukrainian force that is 2~3 times the size of the Russians fighting forces.

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Do you think Russia is attaining any of its goals? Ukraine was corrupt, debilitated and inept. Yet it holds against Russia. Minor resistance crippled what we thought was a war machine.

Russia isn’t a great power. It’s a nuisance that now, thankfully, falls almost solely to Beijing go manage. Yet we keep pretending it’s a real threat, the real crime herein.

Russia cleaned Mariupol of nazi, they are now starting to clean up Ukrainian eastern army the most experienced fighting force in Europe they have been fighting the Donbass people republic army since like 2014. Ukrainian cannot join NATO or the EU as long as the war wages on. Those were the main objectives Putin said in his war speech at the end of februari.

Now within Europe the next most capable NATO army is the polish army which is even worse equipped than the Ukrainian one. As a person that still lives in the EU its kinda worrying to see the Russian chew through the EU NATO best regional armies as if it's just a sweaty warming up.

Regarding Russias great power status i don't agree they are a great power and one that isn't even that limited regionally seen, they are active in the middle east, north Africa and central Asia they are just not a super power like the US and China.

> the Russian chew through the EU NATO best regional armies as if it's just a sweaty warming up.

Russians are fighting NATO troops now? You have a source for that?

edit: I know I shouldn't be engaging in this as refuting nonsense like this takes more effort than creating it.

Jesus Christ, that's one if the most absurd things I've read in a while. Nazis in Mariupol? Russians chew through EU NATO?

Russia would already be in pieces if it wasn't for nuclear weapons.

So those soldier accidently put on Nazi symbols or tattoo on their bodies really weird, and people wonder how the holocaust could happen in Europe during ww2.

Yeah Ukrainian army is one of the better equipped and manned army of NATO. Hell turkey is the second biggest NATO army after the US. Germany as a army is non existing reason why they need this $100 billion to bootstrap their rearmament program and the yearly 2% GDP to keep up to standards.

> So those soldier accidently put on Nazi symbols or tattoo on their bodies really weird

How many soldiers, under who's command?

> and people wonder how the holocaust could happen in Europe during ww2.

Weak strawman, try harder.

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-fighter-neo-nazi-symb... https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/who-are-male-state-the-rus...

> Yeah Ukrainian army is one of the better equipped and manned army of NATO. Hell turkey is the second biggest NATO army after the US.

Ukraine isn't part of NATO, what are you even talking about?

> Germany as a army is non existing reason why they need this $100 billion to bootstrap their rearmament program and the yearly 2% GDP to keep up to standards.

And?

>2~3 times

it's far worse than that. even volkssturm conscripts are being sent to the frontlines. it's everything that Ukraine has - which is a lot in a country of 40-something million people, against a contingent of 150-200 thousand men

Russia is also partially backed up by Donbas army but thats also pretty much an experienced conscription army. People also don't know that the Ukrainian army is probably the most experienced army in NATO to fight a great power rival and the best equipped army in eastern Europe.

> while reality russia is fighting a Ukrainian force that is 2~3 times the size of the Russians fighting forces.

This is not the reality though. At the start of the war at least, Russian troops count exceeded Ukrainian ones by a factor of 2 if not more.

Source: https://www.google.com/search?q=russia+vs+ukraine+troops+cou...

The google result show every male is getting conscripted, that Ukraine had 900k reservist that had military training in the last 5 years. In total like 1.2 million Ukrainian fighting force vs the 170~200k Russian fighting force plus the Donbas militia.

So 900K Ukrainian reservists are added towards the fighting force, while the Russian reservists are not?

With right goal post shifting and creative definitions of "fighting force" you may be able to show that Ukrainians are a larger force.

Then there is this thing as reality. On actual battlefields Russians outnumber Ukrainians.

It’s always the same thing with the Pro-Russian arguments : it’s all or nothing. Never any space for nuance. Russia must be winning, one Western leader made one query implying trouble for the Ukrainians.

Go and have yourself some democracy for a century or two, and learn the concept of nuance and compromise.

Russia would never lose this war, the west is talking about uber soldiers and wunderwaffe being shipped to the Ukrainian side. How are those US drones doing have they shifted the war to the Ukrainian side?

Jury’s still out, but the Kiev offensive was a clear failure.

Like I said, learn nuance.

Russia’s military really isn’t good.

Their problem is that the Russian military has an ongoing history of not fighting against militaries—it’s not their focus. They fight against civilians. The Soviet period was endless murder of their own people. Endless atrocities were committed in Afghanistan. Massacres and rapes against civilians in African countries are reported with disturbing frequency. Ukraine is following that exact script.

There’s no longer much of a worry of a prolonged war being beneficial to Russia. It’s that they’re just going to increasingly terrorize civilian targets and further expand their genocidal tactics. Rape and massacres of civilians are already being reported in huge numbers. It’s going to expand. Macron probably thinks Russia will just stop doing it if they’re allowed to have a nibble of Ukraine, but Ukraine knows they’ll just keep doing it until they’re driven out entirely.

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